That's all true. I was just talking about pleading guilty or nolo contendre to a charge based on nothing more than a picture. Of course, in this case, it's nothing but a fine- and you'd prolly need a lawyer to win, and that'd cost more than the 200-some-odd dollars the guy had to pay.
It's like when a swine confiscates your cash when you're riding down the road with that 200-some-odd dollars you were going to pay the last fine with, and they take a notion to use that good ole federal civil asset forfeiture law that let's 'em rob anybody with 200+ dollars in cash in their pockets. Fuck the government. I didn't realize that this list defaulted to sending a reply to the sender of the message you're responding to. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Rohit Patnaik <quanti...@gmail.com> wrote: > You don't need proof to press charges. All you need is probable cause. > Holding a glass, bottle, or can of what > appears to be an alcoholic beverage probably meets the standard of probable > cause. Whether the district attorney's > office can prove the case in a court of law is a different matter. > > --Rohit Patnaik > On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 01:01:22PM -0500, William Wylde wrote: > > Actually, a picture proves absolutely nothing. Anybody who caves to a > > charge based on nothing but a picture is dumb. If it's a drink in a > glass, > > there's no way prove that what's in the glass is alcoholic. If it's in a > > can or bottle there's also no way to prove it contains alcohol, or > anything > > at all in many can. > > > > Fuck the government. > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Rohit Patnaik <quanti...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Actually, I'm not sure what the issue is here. Facebook is a public > forum. > > > Underage drinking is an illegal act. If > > > you post evidence of yourself committing an illegal act to a public > forum, > > > the police are free to come and arrest you, > > > and use the pictures that you posted as evidence against you. > > > > > > The only complaint here seems to be that the police violated Facebook's > > > Terms of Service in "friending" these underage > > > drinkers and gathering evidence against them. However, I'm not sure > how > > > that's illegal in any way. If it were, > > > undercover investigations and sting operations of all sorts would be > > > illegal. > > > > > > As I see it, these are kids who were caught out in their own stupidity, > for > > > doing something that they know to be > > > illegal, and then posting pictures. Now these same kids are whining > > > because the police were marginally more tech-savvy > > > than they assumed. > > > > > > --Rohit Patnaik > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:32:53AM +0100, netinfinity wrote: > > > > "Facebook policy requires the use of one’s real name to sign up, but > > > > they let the police use fake names.." > > > > > > > > Sure the policy says that but a lot of people are changing their > names > > > > on a daily basis (ok maybe not daily). And majority of those changes > > > > are > > > > just for fun, but never the less they are against the policy. What > > > > about those people? Only way to verify or check someone's name is > > > > through IP (ISP). And that can't be done > > > > by will.. It must have some legal grounds... > > > > > > > > Let me get to the point, I'm sure that police is violating some some > > > > kind of human rights or even law's (?) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > netinfinity > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > "I've been such a fool, Vassili. Man will always be a man. There is no > > new man. We tried so hard to create a society that was equal, where > > there'd be nothing to envy your neighbour. But there's always something > > to envy. A smile, a friendship, something you don't have and want to > > appropriate. In this world, even a Soviet one, there will always be rich > > and poor. Rich in gifts, poor in gifts. Rich in love, poor in love." -- > > Commisar Danilov, "Enemy at the Gates" > -- -- "I've been such a fool, Vassili. Man will always be a man. There is no new man. We tried so hard to create a society that was equal, where there'd be nothing to envy your neighbour. But there's always something to envy. A smile, a friendship, something you don't have and want to appropriate. In this world, even a Soviet one, there will always be rich and poor. Rich in gifts, poor in gifts. Rich in love, poor in love." -- Commisar Danilov, "Enemy at the Gates"
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