Uhm, that was a ridiculous situation anyway (@illegal primes). So lets leave it at 'not necessarily'.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.des...@gmail.com>wrote: > Not necessarily. > > Look at the effects of people posting DeCSS and the HDDVD keys a while > back. > > The industry ended up giving in precisely because people said, en > masse, "fuck off". > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > No, it follows the fact that vengeance (the "fuck you" Byron mentioned) > > isn't fruitful to remedy the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.des...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> What you said doesn't follow. > >> > >> Making a digital copy isn't burning down a business. The analogy > >> linking 'piracy' with theft is ludicrous. > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Christian Sciberras < > uuf6...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > Byron, you don't protest to the government by burning down > 100-year-old > >> > business, if you know what I mean... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Byron L. Sonne < > byron.so...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> The thing that makes me laugh about all of this, and one of the key > >> >> things I learned from reading Gibbon's Decline & Fall is this: > >> >> > >> >> The number and frequency of laws passed regarding things directly > >> >> relates to how widespread these things are, and how they much the > laws > >> >> are ignored and ineffective. Laws can't prevent a damn thing, they > can > >> >> only specify remedies. As it is said, "it's only illegal if you get > >> >> caught". > >> >> > >> >> The cat is out of the bag and will never be put back in. There's no > way > >> >> to stop people from 'illegally' copying copyrighted material. > >> >> > >> >> If they somehow managed to require and implement tech so that perfect > >> >> digital copies can't be made (unlikely) then people will simply use a > >> >> camera to record the video as it plays on the screen. Hey, wait a > >> >> minute, that sounds just like that screener I downloaded someone > taped > >> >> in Russia! ;) > >> >> > >> >> If they manage to require and implement tech so that you can't trade > it > >> >> over the internet (unlikely) then people will simply trade it on > >> >> private > >> >> networks or, like we used to do in the old days, via sneakernet. > >> >> > >> >> The problem is that in an attempt to control the dissemination of > >> >> copyrighted material (and people are right, artists do have a right > to > >> >> reap the benefits of their effort) the powers-that-be are stepping > over > >> >> the line and into territory that impacts our ability to communicate > in > >> >> the fashion we choose. > >> >> > >> >> It might be fine to try and prevent piracy but in the process of > doing > >> >> so you are trashing the other desires of people that have nothing to > do > >> >> with piracy. > >> >> > >> >> I'm sure if the copyright lobby had their way, they'd require us to > >> >> wear > >> >> special glasses in order to see our laptop screens, on the assumption > >> >> that anything not explicitly licensed was assumed to be unlicensed, > and > >> >> thus pirated, which we would be blocked from our field of view... and > >> >> as > >> >> a result, some girl/guy who wants to write a simple freeware text > >> >> editor > >> >> now has to jump through regulatory hoops and spend money to obtain a > >> >> special registration that allows their text editor to display to the > >> >> screen. This is a cheesy example, but I think it makes the point. > >> >> > >> >> In the guise of 'protecting artists and businesses' what is happening > >> >> is > >> >> that the powers-that-be are requesting (and too often getting) powers > >> >> that allow them to trample on the general idea of freedom of > >> >> communications and other things people cherish. > >> >> > >> >> As a result, people are inclined to engage in the very behaviours > that > >> >> elicited the laws and crackdowns, quite simply, as a way to raise > their > >> >> middle finger and say "Fuck You". > >> >> > >> >> This is when piracy and theft becomes freedom of expression - when > it's > >> >> done in protest. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> http://www.freebyron.org > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 > > > > > > > > -- > 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 >
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