> Truth be told, that statement is utter rubbish, Hah. http://www.dw.de/intelligence-service-report-confirms-bnd-spied-on-reporters/a-2032833 http://wikileaks.org/wiki/How_German_intelligence_infiltrated_Focus_magazine http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-world-from-berlin-bnd-agents-knew-what-they-were-doing-a-549765.html http://www.foebud.org/bnd-setzt-bundestrojaner-tausendfach-ein
> some parts like certain eastern European countries might have less, but the > NSA makes the Stasi look like a boys choir. Now, that, that is rubbish. I'm assuming you're German. You're doing your countries history a disservice with such nonsense and hyperbole. Total sidenote, what year did Germany go through a "de-stasi-fication" ala the de-baath-ification of Iraq or the de-Nazi-fication? Oh yeah you didnt. Don't look too hard at Nord Stream or Gazprom Germania and I bet all those old timers grandfathered in at the top tiers of deutsch telekom don't think like old-time spooks.. You realize that Berlin isn't just a hotspot for the worlds intelligence community but basically THE hotspot right? Go ask the people at CCCB about the people who used to surveil them when they first moved in. > Germany has ruled the scale of spying such as the NSA's is not only illegal, > but unconstitutional. BDN certainly dont sit on their arses, but > they are not out of control like U.S. is, gathering data on every person in > the world, just is case in 5 years time one might have a radical view > against the U.S. government. Yeah, indeed, I remember being at CCC in IIRC 2007 when they came for Julian. But no really, the German government is *THE* exception in the world, they don't spy on you or anyone else, also, we have the london bridge in Arizona, I bet it would look good over the Rhine, would you like to be the london bridge? > The good thing about NSA doing this, is in the past 2 days I have 29 clients > in Australia instruct me to move them off amazon, gmail, and 365 > - for > local hosting with local owned business with no ties to U.S. Dear god, I hope you don't look up the ASIO or you know, the 5-eyes/AUSCANNZUKUS. Every country in the world engages in intelligence collection, it doesnt matter where your server is, if a country feels inclined, they're in it, watching your data. Everything else is feel good fluff.. Expect them. . On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Noel <n...@ausics.org> wrote: > On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 19:08 -0400, Justin Ferguson wrote: > > And you think the BND does what for a living exactly? Truth be told, > most of Europe has weaker laws when regarding intelligence gathering > > > Truth be told, that statement is utter rubbish, some parts like certain > eastern European countries might have less, but the NSA makes the Stasi look > like a boys choir. > > Germany has ruled the scale of spying such as the NSA's is not only illegal, > but unconstitutional. BDN certainly dont sit on their arses, but they are > not out of control like U.S. is, gathering data on every person in the > world, just is case in 5 years time one might have a radical view against > the U.S. government. > > The good thing about NSA doing this, is in the past 2 days I have 29 clients > in Australia instruct me to move them off amazon, gmail, and 365 - for > local hosting with local owned business with no ties to U.S. > > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
