On 8/2/13 1:21 PM, Gary Baribault wrote:
Having access to the building is ok, but you still need to sniff the
fibre, and in a centre like that any tap would be found quickly by one
tech or another .. the guys from NANOG are good, so the deal must be
with the carriers.
The guys from NANOG are great indeed, but that's way above them :)
Deal with carrier is a one thing, silent deals with IX another. And
surely they do both. You can also tap in many places when cable is going
from/to the ocean (needs a carrier deal, so what? Easy.)
Also, there's a lot of carrier connectivity on wireless - think
satellite, or directed micro waves links. It's much easier to use a
satelite for say, a phone calls than connecting your XX islands with a
fibre.
Guess what these guys are doing:
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Collection_Service
2. FORNSAT
3. SSO, which is the Special Source Operations division, the branch of
NSA which taps cables, finds microwave paths, and otherwise collects
data not generated by F6 or foreign satellites. (from Wikipedia)
I just wonder how many of the under water cable "repairs" were caused by
a real incidents, and how many not really ;) There's no magic, you need
to disconnect the cable for a while to tap it.
If it's a 'legit' connection then No Problèmo
Gary B
On 08/02/2013 07:04 AM, Joseph Jackson wrote:
Why would they need to peer with all tier 1s? If you get access to
the major exchange points (1 wilshire, 60 hudson, etc) you will get
the majority of traffic.
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So you think this is real ? All Tiers 1 would be partner with NSA ?
Even in Europ ? This sound crazy
Le 1 août 2013 à 22:19, Gary Baribault <g...@baribault.net
<mailto:g...@baribault.net>> a écrit :
Don't forget that they also have to back haul that data to their
data centres !! They would have to have secret agreements with
all of the Tier 1 carriers. Sure sounds far fetched!
Gary B
On 08/01/2013 03:51 PM, XF wrote:
Right. But where are their tap ? In Internet Exchange Point ?
In AS ? And how can they do that ? "Hello, I'm NSA, can I get
a TAP on your network" :-) This would say that ISP agree and
the amount of data to transfer would be so vast . How can
they transfer all this amount of data into their system ??
Le 1 août 2013 à 20:56, Gary Baribault <g...@baribault.net
<mailto:g...@baribault.net>> a écrit :
Optically tapping ALL of the submarine cable going into
and out of the U.S. would still not give them ALL of the
claimed data. They have to be tapping all of the major
traffic exchange sites in the U.S. to get this kind of data.
Gary B
On 08/01/2013 11:31 AM, XF wrote:
> Did you understood how
they collect data ? This is not clear for
me...ISP backdoor
? Optical tap on sub marine wire ?
>
> Le 1 août 2013 à 16:26, Georgi Guninski
<gunin...@guninski.com> <mailto:gunin...@guninski.com>
a écrit :
>
>> it will be interesting to me what will
remain of
the nsa
>> when the chinese comrades stop giving
fresh money
to the usa.
>>
>> Detroit news are not very pink.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 11:20:27PM +1200, Hugh
Davenport wrote:
>>> meanwhile, in new zealand, prime minister
suggests that we aren't
>>> the slaves for nsa...
>>>
>>> On 2013-08-01 19:23, Georgi Guninski wrote:
>>>> XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do
online
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/31/prism_put_in_the_shade_by_leak_about_even_more_powerful_snoop_tool/
>>>> New NSA tool exposed: XKeyscore sees
'nearly EVERYTHING you do online'
>>>>
>>>> From the presentation:
>>>> * Show me all the exploitable machines in
country X
>>>>
>>>> * How do I find a cell of terrorust that
has no
>>>> connection to known strong-selectors
>>>> **Anomalous events
>>>> ***Someone who is using encryption
>>>>
>>>>
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