please, please don't go. your post are insightful, and i think it's very, very useful for jaded pro's to hear from someone who admits to not being an expert. i'm a relative newbie as far as security issues go, but we were all ignorant once. please continue to contribute. many on this list expect far too much of the average user, like the person who doesn't think msn users would be fooled by a geocities link asking for their info, well, i can tell you that many users never read the links they are clicking and lack the knowledge and intelligence to think there might be a problem any way, any one should know better, but scams like this to trap some of the more ignorant and foolish, who are also the ones least likely to realize they're being abused. i think there is room for and we need contributions from people who care about security at all levels. there is some advantage even in having complete outsiders who are ignorant of much any security pro should know as they ofte! n don't have the blinders that can come with that and can find truly original and creative solutions as well as finding fallacies and possibly finding things many pro's would over look due to preconditioning. not that pro's aren't useful, of course they are, but so are newbies to an extent. -- Philip Stortz -- To be nobody but yourself when the whole world is trying its best night and day to make you everybody else is to fight the hardest battle any human being will ever fight. -- E.E. Cummings _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
