Hello, Just to clarify the term "real MCSE", I was referring to a MCSE that actually knows how networks function, what a firewall is and why it should be there. They would actually be able to hold down a Networking / System engineer position.
Michael. On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:11:16 -0400 "Gerald Cody Bunch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please define the term real MCSE, being as the first word in the acronym > stands for 'Microsoft' > it would stand to reason that a real MCSE is nothing more than trained > 'Microsoft' marketing monkey. > > I believe what you are referring to is not quite a 'real MCSE' however, > but a Networking/Systems engineer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denis > Dimick > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:30 PM > To: Michael Gale > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by > W32Blaster] (fwd) > > > > We should talk about gun control next.. > > > > On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Michael Gale wrote: > > > > > Please ... if a MCSE is in charge of a network and something > happens, > > like everyone on the network gets the MSBLASTER worm then the MCSE is > as much at fault as Microsoft is. > > > > Microsoft builds the piece of sh*t but the MCSE are the ones pushing > > it down everyone's throat saying "Look at how user friend and secure > > this is". > > > > Any real MCSE would know that windows is crap and should therefor do a > > > better job of protecting the internal network. > > > > Michael. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:42:17 -0500 (CDT) > > Ron DuFresne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Schmehl, Paul L wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Bryan K. Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:46 AM > > > > > To: 'Byron Copeland'; 'Ron DuFresne'; > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by > > > > > W32Blaster] (fwd) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a load of B.S. if I ever heard it. > > > > > > > > > > I can attest to the fact that this is indeed.... NOT BS... > > > > > > > > > > True, there are a bunch of MCSE's that are on top of > > > > > things....however, there are way too many scam artists with > > > > > MCSE's who only give a damn about getting a bigger consulting > > > > > fee than securing their customer's networks. > > > > > > > > And of course there isn't a single *nix consultant around who > > > > isn't worth his/her weight in gold and doing an absolutely > > > > fabulous job...... > > > > > > > > Shitty people come in all shapes and sizes and infest every > > > > profession. They're as unavoidable as air. > > > > > > Kinda feeling like all fingers point home huh? > > > > > > Why blame the poor MCSE's when one should perhaps fault the vendor > > > again, for not only failing to provide a viable patching system that > > > > does not overburden these folks, but also undertrains them in > > > perperation for the world of hurt they are about to be employed in. > > > > > > There, that should satisfy all those indignant MCSE's that try to > > > do the right thing, but are swamped with the rate of and poor > > > quality of patches they have to deal with. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ron DuFresne > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It > > > eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the > > > > business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart > > > ***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!*** > > > > > > OK, so you're a Ph.D. Just don't touch anything. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html