I think that's a sure sign that you need to move from the wireframe to a
prototype. You will be amazed at their quick attention to detail on the
prototype. I had a client last week that said, no joke, "wow, this devnotes tool
is REALLY powerful!". A silly little textbox gets a comment like that. Amazing.

Seriously, let them see the application. Build the front end and their eyes will
light up.

Steve

Kevin Roche wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a client that steadfastly refuses to look at the wireframes. I still
> build them because it forces me to to ask questions that in the past might
> have been forgotton or caused assumptions to be made.
>
> Where does that link go ?
>
> After you ask that question for every link on every page you have solved
> your problems and thw ireframne is as good a wayt as any to document the
> collection of the answers and make sure you don't havbe any missing pages.
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Farrar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 05 April 2002 14:30
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Wireframes and clients
>
> Yes,
>
> Wireframes are the way to go. Yet, it takes a bit of sales ability to get
> the client to wait for the interface. In the end you will have a better
> product if you can outline the project without the client being sidetracked
> by the container. The variables are the person selling the project and the
> person who it is being sold to. It would not be reasonable to loose a job,
> just so you could avoid the container until the project functions were
> completely outlined. Yet, it would be better for you... and the client to do
> full needs discovery and outlining. It is sometimes better to not have a
> project that is not defined... because there is no end of attempts to
> satisfy the client. If you can get by without contracts that are not
> wireframed it is best... but, you in the end have to make the call. After
> all, we all need to eat!
>
> John Farrar
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:37PM >>>
> Anyone else have an opinion?  ;)
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Steve Nelson
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:58 PM
>   Subject: Re: Wireframes and clients
>
>   In my opinion that's the only way to do wireframes, but others might
> disagree. I tend to use wireframing almost as a sales pitch. I try to spend
> no more than a couple hours on a wireframe, usually within the first few
> minutes of meeting with the client. Once we're past the hand shaking and
> schmoozing and they start explaining what they want their application to do,
> I'll usually interrupt them and say: "let me take some structured notes".
> (this is when I whip out the laptop with the wireframe tool) After they've
> explained something, I'll walk through the wireframe and explain it back to
> them. They'll either say "yeah that's it" or "wait, change blah blah blah".
>   I NEVER finish a wireframe. I use it for a couple hours to take initial
> notes and then I move onto prototypes. My clients prefer seeing the
> application's front end than seeing a description of the application's front
> end.
>
>   Steve Nelson
>
>   Craig wrote:
>
>     Hey all. I am thinking about using wireframes.  I have 2 big clients,
> one of which is a CGI/Unix programmer who is used to doing "fly by the seat
> of your pants" programming.  He wants to limit the Analysis and Design phase
> and just see some work up and running.  The other client is totally open to
> design phase but she is very demanding.  Has anyone had luck with using
> wireframes to quickly and efficiently gather requirements?  Please let me
> know what you think. Funny thing is, both sites are likely going to be done
> using ASP.NET, NOT fusebox or coldfusion. Craig
>

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