Hm. I'm sure somebody from Oracle would be interested in using it for that.
They are obsessed with cataloging human beings en masse.

(Yeah I know, this looks VERY fbcommunity. I'll shaddup and git back to
work)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Quinlan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:23 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:      RE: Secure.cfm
> 
> Would you have any objections if I used your core files TO take over the
> world myself? I promise to sign a waver that you had nothing to do with
> it. :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hal helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Secure.cfm
> 
> It's no good, Jeff. Those guys have discovered our secret plan to take
> over the world by giving stuff away! Drat those conspiracy-busters! ;-)
> 
> Seriously, I have been working on the issue of security for a long time
> now, mainly discarding promising ideas that ultimately didn't handle
> everything I thought needed to be handled. I think we're very close,
> with thanks to Steve Nelson who has listened to me prattle on about
> security for lo, these many months, and who has offered invaluable
> criticism, advice, and suggestions.
> 
> My real goal is not to take over the world (too many problems!), but to
> make Fusebox so compelling simple to use, powerful, and complete that
> corporations will adopt it even more widely. That has got to be a
> benefit to each one of us. I think the recent election of the Advisory
> Committee and the pending formation of a Standards Committee will help
> in this immensely.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:24 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Secure.cfm
> 
> 
> 
> You guys love conspiracy theories don't you ;-)
> 
> Both John and Hal have stated several times (and I bet
> we will be hearing it again shortly) - anybody is free
> to add on to the core files with additional
> functionality as long as the original functionality of
> the core files is not altered.   With the techspedition
> core file you can do everything in the exact same
> method as you can do it with the standard core file -
> you can just do a lot more as well.
> 
> I don't see them doing it, but if John and Hal wanted
> to start charging for their core file, they could very
> well do so.   Whether we wanted to pay for the extra
> functionality or not is up to us - either way the
> original core file put out by the FuseBox committee is
> sworn to always be free.
> 
> So if you want to build your own core file (and even
> charge for it, although I would be surprised if you got
> many takers), go right ahead, the only requirement is
> that the original functionality of the core file must
> remain in place.
> 
> On the other comment, yes Hal has a new security method
> he has been working up that from the initial plans I
> saw looks to be so much simpler than the secure tag. Unfortunately he
> has not back-doored me a copy so I am still waiting to see the final
> version.
> 
> -- Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 7:23 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Secure.cfm
> 
> 
> No worries Alan, i got the posts on my hard drive where
> John insisted
> again and again that the core files would always and
> forever be FREE! i
> got the hunch that they are going to continue on the
> lines they always
> have, share the code they developed and charge for
> training. And i think
> that's a much better business plan than the other way
> around, charge for
> the code and undermine their training base - somewhat. Especially at
> this point.
> 
> how much could they ask, anyway? If they asked a lot
> for it, I don't
> think many people would adopt it. Sure, there seems to
> be some nice
> things you can do, but nothing we couldn't manage
> another way. and what
> would prevent people from passing it around behind
> their backs,
> especially if a few people got a little pissed?
> 
> I think this is all part of their mystery marketing
> plan. Keep 'em
> guessing until they get all wired up curious, anxious,
> starting to
> spread rumors of their duplicity, and just as it
> reaches fever pitch,
> they spring out of hiding with all these cool things
> you can do, John
> insisting that even the PRIVATE releases of the core
> from techspedition
> will always be FREE! Hal mumbling about how they really
> could use a PR
> person to handle these things for them ... And they put
> up some more
> training events on their site to help us learn all
> these cool new
> techniques they worked out ...
> 
> i also think the broken links on the techspedition site
> to certain
> articles - the error message you get - the basic
> contradiction that you
> point out of John Q hammering for months Don't touch
> the core! Don't
> touch the core! and then he's the first one ... it's
> all in their
> mystery plan.
> 
> 
> Alan McCollough wrote:
> > Now this does make me think of my whole use of the
> term "Illuminati"
> > when
> > relating to those who are at the head of the FB
> movement. And here is
> > why. I
> > coulda swore that the common mantra around FB3 is
> "Don't mess with the
> > core
> > files".
> >
> > So then how is it that if certain folk (i.e. members
> of the Illuminati)
> > alter the core, it's okay?
> >
> > This touches a lot of areas, redistribution,
> pay-vs-free, etc. I can't
> > be
> > the only guy interested in this...
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:     Nando [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent:     Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:14 PM
> > > To:       [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject:  RE: Secure.cfm
> > >
> > > I'm not 100% on this, but if you study the
> techspedition core a bit,
> > > you'll notice Hal's got some code in there relating
> to security /
> > > permissions. These guys have nearly got the
> marketing through mystery
> > > gig aced. ;-) No?
> > >
> > > R Vosmeer wrote:
> > > > Does this mean there is a new tag coming?
> > > >
> > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > > > Van: John Quarto-vonTivadar
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Verzonden: 30 May 2002 04:42
> > > > Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Onderwerp: Re: Secure.cfm
> > > >
> > > > I think it's worth waiting the extra few weeks
> until Hal's new stuff is
> > > > released. I found it significantly easier to
> understand than the what
> > > > was
> > > > proposed last summer.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ney Andr� de Mello Zunino"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:33 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Secure.cfm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John Beynon wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  > As for Hal's proposal becoming part of the
> fusebox spec, it could
> > > >  > happen but I think it's more likely to become
> a 'best practices' - I
> > > >  > know he's got something new up his sleeve at
> the moment. Since
> > > >  > everyone has their own stand point on security
> coming up with a
> > > >  > 'standard fusebox' methodology would be a huge
> challenge.
> > > >
> > > > Understood.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, assuming that I wish to follow Hal's
> proposal, is the
> > > > implementation of the code that should be
> responsible for traversing the
> > > > circuit path (reading the FBX_Permissions.cfm
> files and updating the
> > > > fusebox.permissions structure along the way)
> available somewhere or
> > > > would I have to write my own?
> > > >
> > > >  > And yes, apart from hard coding your
> userpermissions, looks like
> > > >  > you're on the right lines,
> > > >  >
> > > >  > There ya go, I answered all your questions,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you :)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ney Andr� de Mello Zunino
> > > > Media and Technology Laboratory
> > > > Campus Computing Centre
> > > > United Nations University
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> 
> 

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