-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Lunde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Future Work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: September 6, 1998 6:00 PM
Subject: Apoligies to Mark Measday
Dear Mark:
Before you flame me, let me apoligise, as I read this posting, the comment
"you'll have the answer you stupid jerk." was meant to indicate the person,
ie the Zen master asking the stupid question - not you. A case of being a
little to much in a hurry at that particular moment.
Respectfully,
Thomas Lunde
>
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Lunde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Future Work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: September 6, 1998 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: The X Files ("deus ex machina" excuses) Off topic....
>Dear Mark:
>
>Often there are posting I would like to reply to so I don't put them in a
>file folder and forget them. This one of yours was one of them and it has
>stood the test of time.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Measday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: August 31, 1998 11:59 AM
>Subject: Re: The X Files ("deus ex machina" excuses) Off topic....
>
>
>>Er, chief, this is beyond me, are you the zen master? Who is the zen
>>master? I'm not a zen master, just a bad case of sinusitis and
>>consequently not expressing myself well. Whose arms are you going to cut
>>off and why do you want to do it?
>
>Thomas:
>
>I thought Brad's answer was pretty concise, the person asking a stupid
>question should have a real life experience. You want to know what the
>sound of "one hand clapping is" simple, whack off the arm, and you'll have
>the answer you stupid jerk.
>
>
>
>Alternatively, and more practically,
>>organize a real conference or debate simulating the futurework list
>>where the evas', jays', rays' etc can be made material. If people pay to
>>come, all the better.
>
>Thomas:
>
>One of the joys of electronic debating is the ability to reflect before you
>answer. I'm not sure how we would come out in speech. The idea that we
>should make some money off the things we do for fun strikes me as a great
>example of turning your hobby into a business and then your business ruins
>your hobby, I think I'll stay with my hobby.
>
>Or set up a revolutionary cell teaching
>>non-exploitative transactional conversational exchange values, so people
>>can talk again without fear of having their pockets picked. Don't really
>>see the advantages of amputation or learning to say no in Russian
>>though. Please explain the depth and complexity of your thought.
>
>It's called having a viewpoint or perhaps a personal philosophy - one we
>have actually arrived by ourselves, then being vulnurable enough to expose
>that viewpoint to the critiques - or rarely praises of others. What gets
>you in crap on this list is playing the conventional party record. We
can't
>and won't ( I have no right to speak for others here) force anyone to have
a
>personal viewpoint, however we will gleefully challenge anothers viewpoint,
>call it philosophical ping pong, no one gets hurt, everyone gets a little
>exercise and we leave the game at the table.
>>
>>Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>Mark Measday
>>
>>Brad McCormick, Ed.D. wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Measday wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Yep, if that makes any sense, though I don't know about the zen bit.
>>> So
>>> > can we expect a golden socialist future of mutual understanding
>>> based on
>>> > some scientific knowledge tempered with wisdom? Or the same old
>>> > dialectic between opposite understandings?
>>> >
>>> > MM
>>> >
>>> > Thomas Lunde wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > >In a world of pure self-interest, can there be any paradigms of
>>> > > >communication?
>>> > >
>>> > > Thomas: This question sounds like one of those zen koans where
>>> you
>>> > > feel
>>> > > there should be an obvious answer and every time you put one
>>> forth,
>>> > > the
>>> > > master answers "nyet".
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> I've been thinking about these Zen masters lately, in
>>> part based on thinking about how they exploit their students
>>> as cheap labor. And I had an idea for an answer to
>>> that famous Koan:
>>>
>>> What is the sound of one hand clapping?
>>>
>>> The student should simply amputate one of the master's
>>> hands, so that the master could learn.
>>>
>>> \brad mccormick
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mankind is not the master of all the stuff that exists, but
>>> Everyman (woman, child) is a judge of the world.
>>>
>>> Brad McCormick, Ed.D. / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> 914.238.0788 / 27 Poillon Rd, Chappaqua, NY 10514-3403 USA
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>> <![%THINK;[SGML]]> Visit my website: http://www.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/
>>
>>Mark Measday
>>UK tel/fax: 0044.181.747.9167
>>France tel: 0033.450.20.94.92/fax: 450.20.94.93
>>email: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
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