This was posted to Ecol-Econ list today. It addresses some of the issues which Thomas Lunde & I recently discussed. The liklihood of a world of "eco-villages" is remote IMO, increasingly so with Y6B(global pop) & still growing. But the outline of the issues seems solid to me. Perhaps that's why I keep pointing to the numbers; Y2B & factor 10 technology & many ecovillages globally is a pleasant ideal to contemplate. Sustainability by Laurence Knight 08 June 1999 02:28 UTC A few thoughts derived from Ted Trainer (1998) "Saving the Environment: what it will take" UNSW Press, Sydney [$10, ISBN 0 86840 648 1]. {Note, Ted equates economic growth to increased resource use, with a degree of justification as you will see}. A central point of Trainer's book is that conventional approaches to protecting the environment are necessary but considerably insufficient in terms of ESD. His basis for making this claim is humanity's every expanding ecological footprint [of the order of 40% of earth's biological productivity]. The fundamental issues relate to the sustainability of lifestyles, economic systems and settlements. At present, these three factors cause over-production, over-consumption and excessive levels of waste. Huge amounts of material are processed in the production process, with most of it being dumped back into the environment as waste and pollution [eg three tonnes of rock are processed to produce a gold ring]. Ten-fold [or greater] improvements in energy efficiency would be needed to permit full reliance on renewable energy sources [eg using biomass to fuel a car would require the same amount of land needed to feed nine people]. Unfettered markets are geared to deliver profits rather than meeting needs. Growth in consumption is inevitable in a system where economic entities are constantly seeking to do more business and hence increase their profits. Further, when competitive individualism and material acquisitiveness are top priorities, social fabric items such as concern for others, the public good and the environment are weakened. [Only the selfish motives are required/rewarded/reinforced by markets]. Trainer feels that the 'factor four' productivity improvements discussed by Lovins etal are a long way from being sufficient to deal with ongoing population growth and economic growth rates. He believes that if technology is so save society from the need to change lifestyles, stunning breakthroughs are needed in many areas and these need to continue at a comparable rate to economic growth. Trainer believes that the transition to a service based economy is similarly insufficient as services are still energy-intensive - on a per dollar output basis, they are about half as energy intensive as manufactured goods. The resource intensiveness of current patterns of consumption is also hidden by the transfer of manufacturing to developing countries. [The consumption of resources in developed countries does not show up when raw material inputs are considered]. Trainer attacks the notion that economic growth is needed to accumulate the wealth necessary to protect the environment - given that most the wealth currently created by the economy is luxury and waste, there is plenty of scope to protect the environment without increasing luxury and waste. Trainer believes the limitation of ecological economics is its failure to question growth. "Its main concern is only to look for ways in which the same old goals of affluent living standards and economic growth can be pursued which causing little environmental impact if possible" [p43]. He further believes that it is not possible to put effective monetary values on fundamentally important ecological factors - such as biological energy flows, climate regulation, nutrient cycles etc]. He believes that it is inappropriate to limit consideration of all issues to monetary costs and benefits, and that this together with the drive to privatise and deregulate reduce society's ability to control what happens. Ultimately Trainer believes that a sustainable society cannot have a growth economy, cannot have the profit motive/market forces as its primary driving forces, and must have a reduced per capita rate of consumption of resources. Trainer favours a global ecovillage setup … Comment: Trainer paints with a very broad brush, but he makes a valid point that the traditional pollution-control work is only a small fraction of what is needed to achieve a sustainable society. Attempts to achieve ESD in a society striving for continuous economic growth in a market dominated system may also be analogous to a swimmer, who when caught in a rip, tries to swim against the current. The challenge is to break out of the rip. LK -- +----------------------------------------+ Dr Laurence Knight Environmental Policy and Economics Division Queensland Environmental Protection Agency PO Box 155, Brisbane Albert St, 4002 Tel: (07) 3227 7897 Fax: (07) 3227 8341 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]