I believe in a justice system that reflects some degree of equity. Call it morality if you wish. OK with me.
-----Original Message----- From: Ray Evans Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 5, 2004 4:55 PM To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Futurework] Selective breeding? Morality is the efficiency that stops massive self interest and psychopathic chaos. It is an issue of symmetry. There must be a balance in everything. The problem is in knowing the elements to be balanced. The beginning of that balance is aesthetics. People who are poor perceptually are poorly prepared to deal with it. That is why good perceptual and analytic education in a Democracy is so crucial. If I just do what I can get away with then I can count the odds on lawlessness and do what I wish when away from the police. That includes killing whomever in the woods. Sounds like the morality of the werewolf or the pioneers in Indian country. Even animals are more true than that. REH ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: RE: [Futurework] Selective breeding? > I do believe in community. In social order and social cohesion. And in law > and order too. > > So crimes should be punished. No need to bring in morality. > > On Bill Moyers' NOW the other night there was a discussion of Evil. When > asked to define evil the author suggested that the opposite of good is not > evil, but rather the opposite of good is "good intentions." > > arthur > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Evans Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2004 12:05 PM > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Selective breeding? > > > Good and evil are just words. But if I steal your home or shot a friend > what would you call that? If I create a situation in which you are able > to prosper, what would you call that? And if I do it without taking away > from anyone else or the environment in the process what would you call that? > If a man rapes a woman or deliberately kills a child what would you call > that? If a man enslaves another man and keeps him in a cage for his > entire life, what would you call that? What are the classes of actions > that achieve one end that is the opposite of the other in those types of > manipulative actions? > > REH > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:24 AM > Subject: RE: [Futurework] Selective breeding? > > > I really don't believe in "good" or "evil" > > arthur > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Evans Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2004 11:18 AM > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Selective breeding? > > > Because there are villains in every culture and often they are the one's who > survive. The only moral way out of that dilemma is to admit and struggle > for one's ideals. Otherwise righteous ideas are polluted by > self-righteousness and decline begins. > > REH > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:06 AM > Subject: RE: [Futurework] Selective breeding? > > > How so? What do you mean? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Evans Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2004 2:19 PM > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Selective breeding? > > > I don't agree with Chris on his blatent prejudice on this but I don't think > your statement is true either. You paint yourself into an unteneable > corner. IMHO > > REH > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:59 AM > Subject: RE: [Futurework] Selective breeding? > > > > The statement that one could escape a pogrom or a planned extermination is > > just that: A statement. Nothing negative, nothing positive. Neither a > good > > act or a bad act. An act. That's all. > > > > arthur > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mcandreb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 5:38 AM > > To: Keith Hudson; Cordell, Arthur: ECOM > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [Futurework] Selective breeding? > > > > > > Victor Frankel said in his book "Man's Search For Meaning" that the > > 'best' human beings did not survive the concentration camps because they > > freely gave their lives so that others might live. > > > > "Tis a far far better thing I do than I've ever done before.." > > > > Brian McAndrews > > > > > > > [emsg.txt] > > > Arfthur, > > > > > > At 19:30 02/01/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > >How about this: Those who were average or with lower acuity to > > > >surroundings were eliminated in various pogroms. *If* there was > > > >a selective breeding, perhaps it was based on the quickest, > > > smartest > > > >most aware were able to move or outwit the killers. > > > > > > Yes, that must have been a factor, too -- in much the same way that > > > the > > > rich of Baghdad took holidays in Syria while the bombing went on > > > during the > > > invasion. Also, because of the bipolar nature of the Jewish law on > > > usury, > > > the rich merchants would have good contacts with the Gentile > > > establishment > > > in the cities. Just as the rich Jews and intelligentsia were able to > > > get > > > out of Germany in the years before WWII, so might the richer merchants > > > in > > > Russia and Poland, etc have been able to tell their contacts to > > > withdraw > > > from the Jewish villages and ghettos when progroms were being rumoured > > > at > > > high level. > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > >arthur > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Keith Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:30 AM > > > >To: Tor Førde > > > >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: [Futurework] Selective breeding? > > > > > > > >At 23:18 01/01/2004 +0100, you wrote: > > > >>I was wondering about the theory of Keith Hudson about selective > > > breeding > > > >>of jews in Eastern Europe. > > > > > > > >It's not a theory of mine. It's an observation from history. > > > > > > > >> The aim of selective breeding is to develop a specie who carries > > > some > > > >> preferred qualities by allowing only those carring these qualities > > > to breed. > > > > > > > >That's what animal breeders do. In western society today anybody can > > > >breed. Or, rather, any woman can breed if she finds a male that she > > > thinks > > > >will be a good father and provider. Eugenics got a bad name in the > > > last > > > >century because the state or medical authorities decided who should > > > breed. > > > > > > > >> Where only the most intelligent jews allowed to get children? What > > > >> about the more ordinary jews, Keith? > > > > > > > >Whoever said that "ordinary" Jews couldn't breed? I didn't say so. > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Hilsen > > > >>Tor Førde > > > >>email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > >>Futurework mailing list > > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > > > >Keith Hudson, Bath, England, <www.evolutionary-economics.org> > > > > > > Keith Hudson, Bath, England, <www.evolutionary-economics.org> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Futurework mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
