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In a message dated 8/17/2002 3:11:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> recall the Iraqis were working on the 'Super-Gun' that a British
company
> were caught out supplying large barrel cylinders for just before
the Gulf
> War. It was reported in the British press that the intended purpose
of the
> 'Super-Gun' was for military balistics (and became a major scandal
in
> Britain), but that the original intention of the scientist was as
you say
> for launching satellites. Is the rail gun you are refering to the
same as
> the 'Super Gun'?
Yes, but the rail gun is a major! modification from the Super gun. The
Super
gun used barrels and the rail uses sets of rail. The barrel was over
heating
and which minimized the number of shots the barrel could be used for.
>
> The principle of the Super Gun!
, from what I recall, was that by
having a
> very long barrel and staged detonations along the length of the
barrel that
> the payload could be accelerated to enormous speeds and be able to
launch
> satellites. A full scale super gun was never assembled and the
scaled down
> prototype wasn't completed because of the British trade embargo
against
> Iraq (the cylinders had to be machined very precisely which could
be done
> in Iraq at the time).
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This turned out to be a blessing in disguise. The Iraqi found a way
to fix
the overheating problem because the shipment of barrels was seized.
They
simply went to the rails. It redu! ced the calculations that had to be
done for
each gun and they could now use PLASMA as an energy source.
Israel believed that the super gun prototype would be directed
against them
to
> deliver weapon payloads. The ful!
l scale version could, it was
argued,
> theoretically be used to deliver a nuclear payload over ICBM
distances.
That was the reason told to the world to justify Israel's action. In
reality
Israel and Iraq had been secretly working together on the project.
Following
the OSIRK reactor bombing in 1980 there was covert information
exchange going
on but it was largely one way. The Iraqi program was open to the
Israelis but
the Israeli program at DIMONA was not open to the Iraqi development
team. or
to anyone else The Iraqis were compensated finically by Israeli
Military
Industries.
The reason the Israelis were not opening their project to anyone
have been because Einstein developed a different set of algorithms
for them.
So the program developed differently in Israel than anywhere else.
The US was
having a hell of a time reconciling the variance.
No one k!
new why he generation from the reactor produced a utilization
curve
that was not the same as any other reactor based upon mass spent.
That is why Robert Maxwell was shuffling all the PROMIS software
around
That is why Mordecai Vanunu was running around with photographs of
DIMONA.
The Iraqis had discounted the Israeli data entirely. Bull was using
their
data
Bull was involved with Canada, China, Brazil and South Africa as well
as
Iraq. Maxwell was involved with the sale of PROMIS to South Africa.
Maxwell
was like Murdoch. He wanted satellites. If Maxwell was going to
challenge
Murdoch he would need satellites. He was trying to consolidate
Brita! in's
media. Bull's program was the cutting edge in satellites from defense
and
weapons to telecommunication. Britain needed the Iraqi data. What
harm would
it do to sell them barrels for a gun that would melt?
Canada and Isra!
el want the Iraqi data. We already know that China was
taking
information from everywhere Everyone wanted into the DIMONA to figure
out why
it was not working (no one suspected the math!) See how the Maxwell
piece
fits in? Everyone needed a backdoor and Maxwell was the guy chosen to
provide
it-PROMIS.
Hussein MADE Bull tell Israel the Iraqi results because of the
agreement.
Bull did not trust the Israeli.
Even today Hussein wants Israel to be monitored the same as Iraq.
That is
part of the problem in the UN now.
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>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [psy-op] Rocket Science-Rail gun
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>> In a message dated 8/17/2002 11:30:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, HREF="">
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>> >>> This competition is all about rocket science and which company
will be
>>> first out of the gate with the nation's "next-generation"
satellite
>>> launch vehicle, built more quickly and cheaply than previous
rockets.
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>> Why launch them when most of the payloads can be shot cheaper and
more
>> accurately with a rail Gun? Gerald Bull was the leading pioneer in
the
>> field until his assassination. Bull's Cannon can a! lso be modified
to shoot
>> PLASMA or EMP when necessary. IMHO once Iraq comes out of the
sanctions
>> she will pose the greatest threat to US supremacy in the field.
>> It would be interesting to know how !
many of the pancaked warheads
in China
>> are actually using a rail gun.
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>> http://www.cnn.com/US/9905/14/china.espionage/
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>> Sources: Report finds China stole 'sensitive' nuclear data
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>> May 14, 1999
>> Web posted at: 9:46 PM EDT (0146 GMT)
>> From CNN White House Correspondent John King WASHINGTON (CNN) --
A secret
>> congressional report concludes that China, through espionage and
other
>> means, gained access to sensitive information about the bulk of
the U.S.
>> nuclear arsenal, according to two government sources familiar with
the
>> report. The so-called Cox Committee report ! details expansive
Chinese
>> nuclear espionage, most of it in the 1980s but some more recently
>> including during the Clinton administration, the officials told
CNN Friday
>> on condition of anonymity. T!
he officials said the report -- much
like a
>> recent CIA review -- says it is difficult to determine exactly how
much
>> progress China made through espionage and how much from other
sources,
>> including its own nuclear program, cooperation with Russia and
access to
>> unclassified documents about the U.S. nuclear program. But the
>> congressional report, citing U.S. intelligence sources, concludes
that
>> China:
>> Obtained secrets about at least seven separate U.S. nuclear
weapons and
>> warheads, including several nuclear warheads still at the core of
the U.S.
>> arsenal, like the W-87 for the HREF="">MX> missile and those used on U.S. HREF="">Minuteman
>> long-range missiles, and on su!
bmarine-based Trident nuclear
missiles.
>> Conducted several tests of neutron bomb technology through the
late 1980s.
>> The report, like an earlier CIA report, concludes that China
obtained some
>> of this technology through espionage.
>> Obtained several secrets critical to development of advanced
nuclear
>> weapons, including sensitive missile guidance systems and a so-
called rail
>> gun that uses electro-magnetic waves to propel missiles. U.S.
officials
>> trying to understand the scope of the Chinese espionage are
frustrated by
>> the fact that China has not deployed any of these advanced
weapons. China
>> has just! 18 long-range missiles with outdated single warheads,
according
>> to U.S. estimates. The United States, on the other hand, has more
than
>> 6,000 nuclear missiles. China has repeatedly rejected allegations
>> espionage. Most of the conclusions in the report about espionage
are made
>> based on a 1988 Chinese weapons program document obtained by the
CIA four
>> years ago, one of the sources said. One of the frustrations noted
in the
>> report is that U.S. officials, while convinced China obtained
secrets
>> through espionage, have in many cases been unable to pinpoint
where or how
>> the security lapse occurred.
>> Sources say the Cox report concludes the Chinese obtained secrets
about
>> the warheads used on the submarine-based Trident and other
missiles
>> This official said the report, "contains no shocking new
discl! osures but
>> does provide a stunning view of the extent to which China's
nuclear
>> program has been fast-forwarded by an aggressive and successful
espionage
>> program, plus aggressive work on thei!
r own to benefit from that
spying."
>> White House spokesman David Leavy declined comment because the
report has
>> not been released. But he said the White House was already working
to
>> improve security at U.S. weapons labs and "we look forward to
working with
>> the committee on a bipartisan basis to assess and address their
>> recommendations."
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