Keith Hudson wrote:
> However, once we start
> entering an era of increasingly expensive energy, shortages and social and
> political breakdown of our present sorts of institutions, then this will
> force us into new directions. It is then that I think we have a chance of
> getting away from the bands of iron that enslave us now.

This sounds like the quacks who tell patients they have to get worse
before they can better -- just so the quacks can make more money.
BS!  The patient (society & environment) is already too ill to tolerate
more decay.  The neo-con ideology has to be put to the dustbin of history
fast.


> But first, I think we have to be very much clearer as to just what sort of
> creature we are. Otherwise, we will continue to be a menace, both to
> ourselves and the rest of the natural world.

"We"??  Please only speak for yourself -- the white anglo male that adheres
to a certain ideology (and junkfood, even after they're diagnosed with
cancer..).


> There's no enough until scarcity is forced on us. The working-class want
> what the middle-class have got. Because the Chinese (and inhabitants of
> another 100 countries round the world) want what the Americans have got.

They want good infrastructure and societies, not the decaying compost heap
(to use your own words) that is the UK/U$.  They can achieve the former by
leap-frogging over the harmful technology & ideology of the latter.

Chris




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