Title: RE: [Futurework] Economic/psychological/emotional Choices
Nice exchange.  However, I can't resist pointing out that your two assumptions sound like an old man's attitude towards sex.
 
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Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: [Futurework] Economic/psychological/emotional Choices


Selma,

As always with your posts - interesting.

However, I doubt that it is significant. That doesn't mean they are wrong - simply that their research is stating the obvious. So, it might be useful for those people who, for a fee, tell you what is good for you.

It seems that everything they have done is covered by the two assumptions that precede Political Economy.

"That people's desires are unlimited."

"That people seek to satisfy their desires with the least exertion."

These assumptions were emphasized almost two centuries ago - and they were only assumptions. That is, they were self evident truths that helped the scientist to proceed in the study of human behavior.

If they turned out to b e wrong, they could be changed. If they seemed to be right, they were useful. The scientist should not then be surprised by how people behaved.

Among the points I enjoyed (or looked askance at) follow.

I chortled at:

'Worse, Gilbert has noted that these mistakes  of  expectation can lead directly to mistakes in choosing what we think will  give  us  pleasure. He calls this ''miswanting.'' '

Wow! Another term to add to the other nonsensicalities. Then there was:

"In this test, Gilbert's team asks members of Group A to estimate  how they'll feel if they receive negative personality feedback. The impact bias kicks in,  of  course,  and  they  mostly  predict  they'll  feel terrible, when in fact they end up feeling O.K. But if  Gilbert  shows Group B that others have  gotten  the  same  feedback  and  felt  O.K. afterward, then its members predict they'll feel  O.K.  as  well.  The impact bias disappears, and the participants in Group B make  accurate predictions."

That "impact bias" comes and goes. Gilbert's team had discovered that when you provide more information, people's decisions may change. Wow! Further, they will make "accurate predictions".

How the heck is it known that they are "accurate"? Accurate in terms of what?

Then, there was:

"''If people do not know what is going to make them better off or  give them pleasure,'' Daniel Kahneman says, ''then the idea  that  you can trust  people  to  do   what   will   give   them   pleasure becomes questionable.''

This seems like the old (or not so old) idea that people's happiness is a concern of government. Indeed, this is the concern of the "political left" for:

"the data make it all too clear  that boosting the living standards of those already comfortable,  such  as through lower taxes, does little to  improve  their  levels  of  well-being, whereas raising the living standards of the impoverished  makes an enormous difference."

However, Lowenstein thinks a little more on this. He says:

''Just because we figure out  that  X  makes  people happy and they're choosing Y, we don't want to impose  X  on  them. I have a discomfort with paternalism and with using the  results  coming out of our field to impose decisions on people.''

Bully for him! But is it not likely that such results will be used to do just that.

Says Gilbert:

''Maybe it's important for there to  be  carrots  and  sticks  in  the world, even if they are illusions. They  keep  us  moving towards carrots and away from sticks.''

Those unlimited desires captured with the least exertion keep intruding!

Harry

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