Hi Ray: One of the few times I disagree. D&N's passionate response is more to my liking. Still, drafting to a Peace Corp or Environment Core and investing 2 years in the greater good may suffice as a reason to draft.
Respectfully, Thomas Lunde ---------- >From: "Darryl and Natalia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Ray Evans Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christoph Reuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Futurework] Good Draft??? >Date: Mon, Dec 1, 2003, 9:36 PM > > Ray, > > Below, you wrote: > "I was and am for the draft as I think it makes rich and poor live > together for a couple of years and share experiences helping." > > Sounds like a great social experience from that p.o.v.. > > May I ask, is this consistent with "choice" and "diversity" in careers you > have been supporting? Can learning how to be an effective killer (excuse > me--that's defender of the wealth of the nation) be good for everyone's > life, after the "Good Life" is over, and the wars are over too? Is serving > in the military the only guarantee that one contributes to the well being of > their nation? Are you possibly caught up in the collective GUILT of the > U.S., anticipating the need for defensiveness? > > Further, is it logical for the U.S. to draft more unwilling babies to > continue with the U.S.'s big mistake of engaging in combat that is not only > illegal and insane, but immoral? The current wars are not really wars, they > are invasions initiated by insane MEN who don't give a cr_p for their own > country's children. Assuredly their kids will not be on the front lines of > any war. All this stemming out of UNILATERAL SELFISH decisions that had > nothing to do with TRUTH. Decisions made by insane so-called leaders do not > necessitate the need for more soldiers to die or to kill thousands more > overseas. They are a call for TRUTH, a call for responsible REPARATION, not > the proliferation of a LIE. > > But there, perhaps you were talking about an army of peacekeepers, in some > distant future? > > The problem here is not even one of whether or not the U.S. needs more > soldiers, it is one of its need for DEFENCELESSNESS. If all of the soldiers > weren't occupied in their offensive tasks overseas, there would be no need > for compounding the original error. If the U.S. changed its foreign > policies, reversed the recent decisions to funnel the nation's > infrastructural capital into more war, if the U.S. took stock of its own > bio/chem/nuclear arsenal and dismantled IT to set an example to the rest of > the world thereby greatly diminishing this so-called need for defensiveness, > if it worked with the rest of the globe to really initiate a stage for > peace, and channelled a small proportion of the money they waste on war to > do some good in the world and in its own backyard, the draft would not be an > issue. > > As to whether or not it is good for rich and poor to come together to HELP > their country or others in these times, that is NOT what they are doing. > Today's recruits or draftees would be lucky to be posted at the White House, > even to a war with so-called just cause, though IN MY NOT SO H.O. that would > never be consistent with the laws of the Creator; but for most, they will be > cannon fodder, bomb droppers, baby killers, nature and culture destroyers, > and the sycophants of insanity. > > Natalia Kuzmyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ray Evans Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Christoph Reuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Re: Breathing in/out > > >> I think Keith did that on purpose just so I could correct him after he did >> the same to me on some simple Math that I screwed up. >> >> Just because he looks at something from the opposite side of the circle >> doesn't mean he's backwards, just that he sees the other side. If we >> demand that people see it as we do then we are refusing to move ourselves >> and that is just as fascistic as we accuse the neo-cons of being. >> >> The first group that I found too obnoxious to bear was on the left in >> Chicago during the Vietnam war when I knew all they wanted to do was > escape >> the draft. I agreed with much that they said and I was in the Army and > if >> it was a matter of my life and death I would have fought just as they did. >> I have manifested that by fighting just as hard since. But it had nothing >> to do with the self-righteousness they effected as they tore at the roots > of >> tradition and American culture at the time. Their pop culture destroyed >> serious American culture and left us with trash. Their taste was >> adolescent elitist and the geniuses they effected have long since been > left >> in the dust bin of fashion. Many of them are now on the right, like > David >> Horowitz who likes to brag about being a convert from the Left. Actually >> he is just as obnoxious and childish on the Right as he was on the Left. >> Once the draft was removed they cared little about Vietnam. I was and am >> for the draft as I think it makes rich and poor live together for a couple >> of years and share experiences helping. But the left of the sixties > were >> brats just as the Wolfowitz, Buchanon, Matthews bunch are brats today. >> They effect their cultures and represent them very badly in the long run. >> >> >> REH >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Christoph Reuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:10 AM >> Subject: [Futurework] Re: Breathing in/out >> >> >> > I wish Keith would wake up one morning and realize that he'd got it the >> > wrong way round about FT too. Inflated frog economists and all that... >> > >> > ;-) >> > Chris >> > >> > >> > Keith Hudson confessed: >> > > At 17:26 28/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: >> > > >Sorry Keith but its the reverse. The diaphragm descends inflating > the >> lungs >> > > >while the gravity of the earth forces us to deflate. The process > of >> > > >exhalation is the normal result of presure on both visceral sac and >> lungs. >> > > >It also does other things like digestion and messaging the organs. >> Good >> > > >system. When you sing you just control the rate of exhalation but > you >> > > >can't prevent it. >> > > > >> > > >REH >> > > >> > > You're quite right. As soon as I woke up this morning I realised that >> I'd >> > > got it the wrong way round. I didn't know whether to 'fess all to the >> group >> > > or keep my head down and hope no-one had noticed. I should have > realised >> > > that we had a master lungsmith on this list! >> > > >> > > Keith Hudson >> > >> > >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > SpamWall: Mail to this addy is deleted unread unless it contains the >> keyword >> > "igve". >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Futurework mailing list >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Futurework mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
