On 01 Sep 2005 11:30:10 +0300, Evgeny Stambulchik wrote: > > Cameron Simpson wrote: > > >| For the no-title case only, right? Personally, I don't care as I don't > >| see a sound reason for no-title windows to have borders at all (which is > >| why I didn't notice this problem in the first place). > > > >Example sound reason: > > > >Many windows' content give sufficient info about them. Eg user and pwd > >in shell prompts and so forth. So a title bar may be undesired by some > >people because it addes little value for them, yet they may still desire > >borders for demarcation purposes. > > The title bar serves not only to display the title, but as a convenient > means to move the window (at least, for me; certainly, there are other > ways to move a window), whereas borders are usually too thin for this > purpose. Also, no title[bar] means there are no no min/max/... buttons.
This discussion deviated from the original topic, but I may add my input. As it is said already, title bar is not needed for some kinds of windows, however borders are always desired for esthetic reasons. I have 2 such sticky persistent windows (pager and custom window with dynamic IP info). The Move problem is not really related. There are so many ways to move a window without a title (as well as without borders) in fvwm-themes: * drag using mouse 2 on the borders * drag using Alt+mouse 2 on the window or borders * drag using Ctrl-Alt+mouse 1 on the window * Alt+mouse 3 on the window, chose "Move" from the menu * drag a window in the pager * Mouse 1 on the root or Alt-F1, choose "Window Operations" * Mouse 3 on the root or Alt-F3, choose "Move" * Alt-F7 to Move focused window * and finally the Move bindings on the title I think I use the last option 40% of time, the second or third options 35% of time, and the first option 25% of time, depending on situation. (And when my mouse is not detected, the only way is the key-bindings.) Regards, Mikhael.
