f [EMAIL PROTECTED] net writes:

> On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:15:05 -0700
> Rainer Koehler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> So, why don't you go ahead and write something like that?

> [...]

>> Also, I don't think the fvwm developers would be very good at writing
>> a tutorial for beginners.

> Concidering myself a newbie I'd like to do that. The only problem is: a
> newbie knows the problems - but can't provide the solutions.

You can ask the questions here and collect the answers.  I'm always
surprised how patiently the developers answer the same questions over
and over again (except that "after a while, all my keybindings stop
working" :-)

Questions with concrete wishes are much easier to answer than
"I fiddled with the config file for hours and it didn't work".

> I don't think you'll spam the man page if you insert a short section for
> the main issues beginners have. And, my favorite way to do it is nearly
> already done: Look at man FvwmIconMan, "Configuration Options Reference
> Chart". Add one single column to it with an example command and there
> you go.

Hmm, I think the same table for fvwm itself would be sevaral pages
long, but I agree, it would be a good idea to have something like
that.

> Look, isn't fvwm2 worth it to forget maybe tine a little bit about the
> guide lines of man pages and follow the wishes of many beginners to
> fvwm2 - since they'll all start typing m-a-n instead of querying goole
> for some tutorial?

Well, I consider someone who knows about man and is willing to use it
no longer a real newbie :-)

Another post here raised suspicion that someone read the manpage on
the web and tried to apply it to the fvwm on his system (without
success because he uses a different version).  So maybe it would be
better to write it in HTML.  For many, it might be easier to write
something in HTML than to write a manpage.

But the format doesnt really matter, what's missing is the content!
I would vote for splitting the manpage into some kind of introduction
or a tutorial and a reference manual, but so far, only the reference
part exists.

> Please excuse my passion - it's just the passion for fvwm2.

I think we share that passion, that's why I get a bit angry when
someone complains about the manpage without giving the impression that
he is willing to do something about it.

Cheers,
Rainer
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