Jim raises an interesting point.  It may fall into the realm
of conspiracy theories, but especially in the era of outsourcing
support to third world countries that pay their support people
six bucks a day, tech support suddenly becomes a huge money maker
instead of an unavoidable cost center.  What motivation does a
software manufacturer have to provide independence and ability
for self support to their customers?  Absolutely none.  It certainly
is arguable that a manufacturer would intentionally withhold
information, possibly even intentionally release buggy software
in order to create and perpetuate said dependence.  The fact that
some companies, Checkpoint among them, intentionally withhold vital
information from users without support contracts clearly supports
this contention.  Cisco is one exception, and possibly the
best example of a company that puts everything possible out in the
public domain without requiring high support costs.  I have never
ever had problems finding the information I need to troubleshoot
and fix Cisco problems.  I have always had trouble finding the
necessary information about Checkpoint products.

What recourse does the end user have in this environment?  Purchase
and use products that provide all available information to the
public domain.  That will provide a self correcting process in the
marketplace.

Just my .02 black helicopters.


Hal

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Burwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 6:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [FW-1] Is it true about relicensing checkpoint
>
>
> Hi,
>
> So it's true that VPNs still fail, even under CPNG if you license the
> inside interface instead of the outside interface ?
> I recently tried to get a Cisco <-> CPNG VPN going between our Cisco
> router and customer's CPNG FW which was configured totally
> wrong (it was
> amazing how screwed up it was!)   Couldn't never get it to work.  Not
> having access to the 'real' CP KB, or any CPNG docs didn't help much
> either (Can't believe CP doesn't even let you download docs w/o a
> contract).
>
> Suprised CP doesn't do something to resolve issues like this.
>  It'd make
> life easier on people who have to support their product, and likely
> significantly reduce their tech support call volume.
>
> - Jim
>
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