VLANing is a good idea not only does t provide a additional level of security 
by separating the networks into logical segments, using ACL's to dictate access 
control, but it also reduces the broadcast domain increasing performance.  VLAN 
Jumping like most attacks is only possible is the implenter of the solution 
does not know the associated risks and the countermeasures to prevent them, 
which leads to an initial secure configuration.  VLAN Jumping, misuses the 
ability of of cisco to detect new switches added and tghe trunking protocol.  
Disable this feature so that trunks must be defined manual.  

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From: Mailing list for discussion of Firewall-1 on behalf of David CALLEBAUT 
[AEMS Be]
Sent: Fri 10/02/2006 07:27
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FW-1] Common knowledge question



Hi Gurus,

Perhaps a bit off-topic:

Can anybody advice me if using VLAN tagging on Nokia/Checkpoint is a
*secure* thing to do?

I'm not convinced but my Cisco colleagues are convinced that using VLAN's on
Cisco is evenly secure as physically splitting up in seperate switches.

I found some (very old) articles describing VLAN hopping & spanning-tree
attacks (dated 2003).

Could someone point me to (recent) articles/papers that describe the issues
with VLAN's?

Thanks in advance,

David Callebaut


www.aemarketsolutions.com


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: vrijdag 10 februari 2006 7:48
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FW-1] Need help with configuring OSPF on the Nokia to work w
ith Cisco device


HI Janis/Cisc4ng,

To be precise you can force Nokia NOT to be DR or BDR by setting the
"election priority" to 0 in the OSPF configuration page of voyager.

0 means: never be elected in this case.

David Callebaut

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Sent: donderdag 9 februari 2006 22:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FW-1] Need help with configuring OSPF on the Nokia to work
with Cisco device


Hi Janis,
  
  I could be wrong but I don't think you can control
the Nokia NOT to be either a DR or BDR.  You can,
however, do that with cisco router via
"ip ospf priority 0" on the interface.
  
  You said that that you didn't have problems with
failover.  Well, that's is because you did NOT reboot
the Active Firewall.  Had you reboot the Active
firewall, after the primary firewall comes back
online, your routes would disappear because the Cisco
routers get confused.  I currently have a Nokia TAC
case opened just for this.  We can talk more about it
if you like. 
  
  The other thing is that the cisco devices should
see ONLY the NOKIA neighbor via it VRRP IP address.
In other words, when you do "show ip ospf neighbor" on the cisco router, it
should be neighbor ONLY with VRRP IP address, NOTHING ELSE.  NO physcial IP
adres whatsoever. In IPSO 3.9 or higher, in ospf you have to enable ospf
for VRRP.
  
  Anyway, Nokia acknowledged that it is a problem and they
are trying to fix this in later release of IPSO. 
  If I am not making any senses, you can contact me offline
and we can talk more about this.  But it seems to me,
and I could wrong, that you still have problems with OSPF,
you just do not it yet.
  regards,
cisco4ng

Janis Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hi cisco4ng,

As mentioned long time before - here comes our
feedback:

We did the installation today with two Nokia IP330
with IPSO 3.9 Build 045 using OSPF and VRRP/Monitored
Circuits and four Cisco routers (2 on each firewall
side, one router of each side is DR, the Nokia's don't
become DR or BDR).

OSPF works well (OSPF routing table can be seen on
both firewalls). We are able to see the ip address of
the physical firewall interface from the active
firewall node (vrrp master) in the routing tables of
the routers.

Switching from one Nokia to the other takes less than
2 seconds. After this time new connections are working
fine. Existing connections are broken during the
switch but in the specific customer environment that's acceptable.

Best Regards,
Janis

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