>>> On 12/3/2009 at 1:36 AM, a bv <[email protected]> wrote:
> i sometimes  think that  at technical life somebodies trying to fool
> me which makes my mind work for garbage sometime. And that mostly
> happens when i say my focus is security , everybodies everething
> becomes about security.  Now our web mail server guys wanted me to
> open 80 and 443 port for their mail servers which are on LAN segment
> and theyll have people to access to the mail system from web and
cause
> its https it will be secure? Then what the DMZ is for?!  We have
> proxies at LAN also. So let me ask you another question. What to put
> (what we should) on DMZ , or not . What accesses for the hosts at
LAN
> can be given outside the world and DMZ?

Having direct HTTP or HTTPS access to your email on the internal
LAN is probably a Bad Idea. That is definitely something that
would belong in the DMZ if possible. But these things are not
always possible.

I would also note that direct access to your email from the Internet,
no matter the protocol, is a Very Bad Idea if you're just using
username-password authentication and not something token, OTP, or
at least certificate based.

> 2009/12/3 pkc_mls <[email protected]>:
>> a bv a écrit :
>>> They wanted me to add a access rule for both ways between that host
at
>>> LAN and whole DMZ subnet  for  ESP protocol group. At the host
sides
>>> the owners ( other people from mycompany ) applied ipsec on the
hosts
>>> as i know. Can you explain in detail for statement inwriting ?
>>> Regards
>> Sounds really strange.
>> As someone already mentionned on the list, you need either 2
gateways or
>> one gateway and one vpn client for IPSEC.
>>
>> if the device in between has already some vpn connection,
>> it can be quite hard to have ike or esp go through.
>>
>> if the need is to secure traffic between a DMZ and the LAN, what's
the
>> benefit of having already a firewall in between ?
>>
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