2 other cents.. I'm not sure that the linkproof is that much less $ - you really need 
2 of them to eliminate
your new SPF for one thing.. so at what, $10k(8K?)  a pop, it's still big bucks.  
What's the point of redundant
connections if you have an SPF controlling the whole shebang? :)  Also worth looking at
Rainfinity if you want a box to do load bal/failover stuff.  (I think Rainconnect is 
the product name)

BGP has a slight delay on  failover but none of my users have ever noticed it. It's 
like a web site
being slow for 30sec.. VPN's will die.. no way around that. But the linkproof can't 
stop that either
(since it NAT's your hosts with 2 ranges of IP's, your host IP will change on failover 
if I am not
mistaken.. )  And actually w/BGP you have a 50% chance (with 2 T's) of not losing the 
VPN since
you are using both circuits all the time.. if the line that stays up is carrying the 
session then it is
seamless. Nothing can protect you from a session on a circuit that gets dropped. 
Nothing I am
aware of anyhow! :)
FWIW in long threads on the ISP BGP lists the consensus seemed to be 90% reachability
in ~5min.. that means from timbuktu.. (well, almost!) For continental US or EU, it is 
well under that. My "visible"
 reachability is there in well under a minute, and no one but me notices anything has 
changed..
(I only notice bc my syslog server beeps at me!)
IME a basic config is not complicated or time consuming - a basic config can simply be 
to take two default
routes.. you can do this with a  2600 series!!  Providers need full tables - you 
probably don't unless
you provide transit.  You can set it and forget it once it's done. Yeah, you need to 
look in on it, but
it is hardly a tar pit.. anyhow you don't need huge routers and tons of RAM. YOu can 
also take
provider routes (again, a small partial table..) nothing for you to set up, just ask 
your ISP...

Load balancing is the clincher - BGP can't do it in a "real" way (per stream for ex) 
bc it is not designed
to. Only you can make the call as to how important load bal is..  personally I like 
carrier/pop/loop
diversity over load bal. (and geographic diversity as well..) 2 T's to the same 
carrier can load bal with
BGP but it IMHO defeats the purpose of BGP..  my #1 goal is business continuity. 
Everything after that
is icing. :)  For me that means an HSRP pair of routers on the edge running BGP with 
muliple carriers.
The loops go out on different providers, to different pops to different backbones in 
different cities.
Either router can die and it won't matter, any router can lose its T's and it doesn't 
matter. Our IP's don't
change so there is no DNS stuff to worry about. (K.I.S.S in action..)  The two edge 
routers run an iBGP
session with each other so they exchange reachability about the their own 
connections.. this provides a
measure of load balancing despite the "up/down" nature of HSRP. Packets whose shorter 
path is
via the secondary router will actually bounce from the primary to the secondary and 
then out...

just a different angle.. no right or wrong here.. whatever works best for you is best! 
:)

>>> Kim Longenbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/24/02 08:11AM >>>
Yes, there is a less expensive way to do this without BGP.
Look up the LinkProof by Radware www.radware.com
It lets you load balance, provides redundancy, handles nat and the DNS issues involved 
very well.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/24/02 04:04AM >>>
I am trying to find out how to setup a pair of Nokia 350's so they load
balance traffic accross two internet links.

I have looked at setting up BGP but it looks like it would be very time
consuming and there would be a delay when things fail over.

Are there any other ways of doing this?

Thanks,

Richard.


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