I have clients that require all business data traversing the public
internet between our sites, whether pre-encrypted or not, to be 3DES
Checkpoint encrypted.

Chris

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Pulver, Richard
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I use the encryption native to Citrix in MetaFrame 1.8 FP1 and above.
Citrix has 40, 56, and 128bit encryption available.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Covington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [FW-1] Citrix drops connection when we install rulebase


So what if I want to fix the problem but I encrypt Citrix traffic?  I
have a custom defined service and whenever I push policies everyone
drops...  If I were to turn Fast Mode on, my NAT/Encryption would no
longer function.

Chris

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No. No VPN or NAT or anything.

Regards,
Torkel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Covington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 7. oktober 2002 19:05
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [FW-1] Citrix drops connection when we install rulebase
>
>
> Rich,
>
> I assume you use no VPN encrypted Citrix?  I would like to prevent
> this problem is well, but won't turning on Fast Mode with citrix_tcp
> prevent NAT and/or Encryption from working?
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mailing list for discussion of Firewall-1
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Pulver, Richard
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:26 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [FW-1] Citrix drops connection when we install rulebase
>
>
> Torkel,
>
>         What version of Citrix are you using? How are you launching
> the applications through Citrix - are you using .ica files or Program
> Neighborhood? I had the same problem for a while using .ica files with

> the web client. I had to create two new services for ICA traffic which

> I
> called:
>
> citrix_tcp (TCP Service)
> Port: 1494
> Source Port Range: 1024-65356
> Protocol Type: URI
> Fast Mode: Checked
>
> citrix_udp (UDP Service)
> Port: 1604
> Source Port Range: 1024-65356
>
> This solved some of the other problems I was having as well as
> stabilizing Citrix connections during policy pushes. Not sure if you
> have this already setup or not, but it may help.
>
> Rich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Torkel Mathisen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:59 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [FW-1] Citrix drops connection when we install rulebase
>
>
> Hi
>
> I've read this paper, but I didn't think the users would actually
> loose the connection. I know that FW-1 clears the connectiontable and
> all that, but it also build it up again when the session continues.
>
> >From the paper:
>
> "When you push a new rulebase the state table is cleared. However, you

> will not lose any of your established connections while pushing a new
> rulebase."
>
> A bit futher down:
>
> "... Firewall-1 maintains state of what connection were active prior
> to the new rule push.  This old state table is maintained as
> old_connections."
>
> We don't have this problems with other protocols. Its just Citrix.
> They actually loose the connection. When we use Windows terminal
> client we don't get disconnected. I would guess the firewall builds
> the connections up again and that this is transparent for the users.
>
> With Citrix this doesn't happen. Its very frustrating for our users
> when they are working with something and suddenly have to reconnect.
> And possibly even get connected to a different server than before and
> loose their work.
>
> The sollution you refer to is clicking on "Fast Mode" for ICA (tcp
> 1494)? What about icabrowser (udp 1494)?
>
> Regards,
> Torkel
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lars Troen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 7. oktober 2002 15:20
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [FW-1] Citrix drops connection when we install rulebase
> >
> >
> > Torkel,
> > http://www.enteract.com/~lspitz/fwtable.html
> >
> > This is a nice paper describing what's going on. The state table is
> > flushed when you install a policy, but if you read further
> you can see
>
> > there's still hope. :)
> >
> > Lars
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Torkel Mathisen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 14:18
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [FW-1] Citrix drops connection when we install rulebase
> > >
> > >
> > > We have a problem here with Citrix being dropped when we
> install the
>
> > > rulebase.
> > >
> > > The users have Citrix clients up at all time, but whenever we
> > > install the rulebase on the firewall the connection is dropped and

> > > they have to connect again.
> > >
> > > Anyone have any experience with this?
> > >
> > > We haven't done anything special in the firewall. Only a rule that

> > > accept Citrix (1604 and 1494).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Torkel
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