Roy,
4.1 uses port 264 for topology download and 265 for public key transfers.  You
should need no explicit protocol accepts, as the 'accept firewall-1 control
connections' allows for this.  Usually when you get a timeout after authentication,
it is because the firewall object has been defined based on the internal ip address.

So again, I wouldn't look at the rules, I would look at the fw workstation object
primary ip address.

If you want to disable control connections, you must enable fw1_topo, and fw1_key
and IKE to get these connections to go through.

HTH,
CryptoTech

Roy Hills wrote:

> On Firewall-1 v4.0 I have been able to use SecuRemote with FWZ key
> scheme by just allowing "FW1" (tcp port 256) from any to the Firewall
> as well as the relevant client encrypt rules and unchecking the
> "accept Firewall-1 control connections" box in the policy properties.
>
> However on Firewall-1 v4.1, I find that I need to select "accept VPN-1 &
> Firewall-1
> control connections" in the policy properties.  I cannot seem to get SecuRemote
> to work by using specific rules in the rulebase.
>
> I have tried the following two rules without success:
>
> a)
>
> Src: Any
> Dst: Firewall
> Svc: FW1, FW1_key, FW1_topo, RDP
> Act: Accept
> Trk: Long
>
> b)
>
> Src: SecuRemote-Client
> Dst: Firewall
> Svc: Any
> Act: Accept
> Trk: Long
>
> Src: Firewall
> Dst: SecuRemote-Client
> Svc: Any
> Act: Accept
> Trk: Long
>
> In both cases, I also had the appropriate client encrypt rules present.
>
> The symptoms I see are that I can add the Firewall "site" OK, and the
> authentication dialog box appears.  However authentication fails with
> "communication failed" message.
>
> Allowing "accept VPN-1 & Firewall-1 control connections" in the policy
> properties makes SecuRemote work fine.
>
> Does anyone know what has changed from V4.0 to V4.1 regarding SecuRemote
> that causes this?
>
> Is it possible to allow SecuRemote with just rules in the rulebase and not
> with "accept VPN-1 & Firewall-1 control connections" in the policy properties?
>
> I'm using Firewall-1 v4.1[DES] SP1 on Windows NT 4.0 SP5.  SecuRemote is
> v4.1 [DES] on Win-95.  I am using DES encryption, MD5 integrity and FWZ key
> exchange.
>
> Roy Hills
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