On 26 Dec 2001, at 16:48, Uri Guttman wrote:

> >>>>> "MGS" == Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>   MGS> perl.org mailing lists don't use Majordomo.  They're... something
>   MGS> else.  ezlm?  mailman?
> 
> definitely qmail/ezmlm.

Uri was a bit curt about this. All of this stuff is completely apparent 
from the headers that come on EVERY message --- if you don't occasionally 
do so, you ought to turn on 'show all headers' [or 'show raw message' or 
whatever it is in your mail client] and see what-all is coming in.  On 
fwp, among a lot of other stuff, we have:

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>From the lowest couple of received lines, you can see that it was qmail 
at onion.perl.org that received the message.  The 'Mailing-list: 
contact...' line tells you that you're dealing with ezmlm...  Not so much 
fun and not perl, but such is life...

  /Bernie\
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