On Jul 19, 2004, at 8:37 PM, Stuart Saunders wrote:

On 19 Jul 2004, at 6:13 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Sunday, July 18, 2004, at 10:23  AM, Stuart Saunders wrote:


Apple's non solicited ideas agreement is totally unacceptable 'What's
mine is mine, what's yours is mine, and I can even give what was yours
to someone else if I want to' Check it out.


        And of course they don't accept inventors Confidential Disclosure
Agreements.

They are simply covering their asses.

I understand that they need to cover their asses. But they don't need to be so apparently unreasonable. I have asked my government to make such 'agreements' illegal.


Good luck.

        I look forward to the day we have a Standard Confidential
Disclosure Agreement negotiated between say
Chamber of Manufacturers or like and e.g. Inventors Association.


That would be a step forward, yes.

This is an active engineering
research area for them, and they don't want you coming back in ten
years and suing them because they developed something *like* your
invention.

There is nothing like my invention.

You have NO way of knowing that; not at all. All you could possibly know is that something like your invention has not been patented unless you have been conducting industrial espionage on all your competitors.



I have no faith in the patent system. It is said that it costs about
15,000 US to get a US patent. It is also said that 97% of inventions fail
to return this expense.

That's merely Sturgeon's Law in practice. Just because something is patented does not mean that it's actually useful, economical or desirable.


97% of *everything* is crap.

         In my country even the patent office quotes a figure of 99%.
Having had other promising inventions denied patents by hostile patent
offices using obviousness as a "means of denial of last resort", I am
 reluctant to push good money after bad.


Those are the rules. Push your government to change them, but don't be surprised if when they do you're screwed even deeper. No government truly belongs to the 'people' anymore, if it ever did.


        If you get a patent, do you know what it is? Simply a license to sue!
Spend more money.

The Golden Rule: "They who have the gold, make the rules."

Actually, with a patent in hand you could could start manufacturing the things yourself, selling them on the aftermarket. If it is truly as efficient as you say, there's a pile of gamerboyz overclockers who are tired of turning their peecees into expensive one-shot smoke generators...

I said it was expensive; against a chance at making a lot of money. Nothing in the law states that you have a right to make money; only the right to a chance to do so.


Until the (total) patent system becomes less of a rip off of inventors,
I will do my best to encourage other inventors to 'fuhgetaboutit'.

Your prerogative, but how far are you getting this way? :-/ -- Bruce Johnson

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