ok, STUPID!  seriously though, if all you use your' mac for is game playing and 
web surfing, you
don't have much to lose.  if you buy things online you have more to lose.  if 
you use it to run
your' business you have a lot to lose, including potentially privileged data 
and customer
information.  it's foolish to wait until  you have a car accident to get 
insurance or start wearing
your' seat belt.  by the same token it's silly to not drive as well.  it's only 
prudent to take some
steps, such as running antivirus programs (though they usually only catch 
viruses after most of the
damage is done!), using some restraint in what you put on the machine you surf 
with, baking up your
files (which any one with important files should do any way, or they are a 
fool!), and get a good
HARDWARE firewall.  a software firewall is nice, but it's running under the 
same os and on the same
machine as your other applications, flaws in the os can not be covered by a 
firewall running under
it, and it's not too hard to tamper with (indeed most of the software firewalls 
for windows are
worthless for this reason).  

a hardware firewall will have a limited os if any, and less code means fewer 
potential holes, and it
will be a different os than what's running on your' computer so compromising 
one doesn't compromise
the other immediately.  of course some of the hardware firewalls have been 
hacked, like any security
software it's essential to keep them up to date and to read the manual, and 
change the default
password! (surprisingly many people spend good money on a hardware firewall and 
then fail to change
the default password, or even open the manual apparently).  all of your' 
hardware should be power
cycled at least once a day, this stops viruses that are only in ram and reloads 
the os and other
software, and on a hardware firewall this will be in memory that's hard to 
reprogram without the
password.  

and for god's sake, if you care at all about security, don't use wireless!  
wireless networking is
the big security hole in many corporate systems, and the industry has a very 
bad track record in
regard to truthfulness.  first the wireless industry came up with "WEP"- "Wired 
Equivalent Privacy",
which was quickly cracked with effort, and eventually shown to be crackable in 
just minutes with
passive, undetectable monitoring.  the standards have been improved, but more 
holes will be found
and the range for someone with good equipment putting a little effort into it 
is much greater than
the intended range.  it's not that hard to monitor a lot of it from a mile away 
or more with a
little bit of equipment that isn't that hard to buy or build, including a good 
high gain directional
antenna which is easy to build with common materials (as nearly any antenna 
is).  i'm truly alarmed
that so many current laptops have wireless built in and many companies are 
using it for sensitive
data, this is not a wise policy, but the marketing engine of the wireless 
industry, as usual, has
been doing a good job of convincing people it is, just like they did the first 
time around!

sure, you haven't been hacked YET, that you know about.  and "that you know 
about" is part of it,
according to security experts so many credit cards have been stolen that it's 
unlikely for your's to
be used even if it has been stolen!  there is literally a glut on the "market" 
of stolen credit card
information.  counting on this glut to protect you is not terribly wise and 
shows what a large
problem it is.  and your' machine doesn't have to be the one that's 
compromised, it can be the other
end or even the routers in between you and the other machine and those routers 
are facing more and
more sophisticated attacks as well.  and at the least, you can easily be 
tracked even under the best
of conditions if you don't take steps to prevent it and to many this is bad 
enough.  it doesn't take
much to do serious damage.  most of the viruses, fortunately are fairly lame, 
largely because they
are being written by amateurs.  there have been some written by professionals 
that have done
impressive damage before being detected by people who do take the effort.  it 
is foolish and
irresponsible not to take reasonable actions.  however, a hardware firewall 
(and reading and
learning the manual, and paying attention to it's logs) are a much better 
investment than anti-virus
software which only stops what has already done damage and been "trapped" by 
security people, before
it's observed and found it can't be found in most cases and certainly can't be 
found by antivirus
software.  i've been "hacked" on a mac at least once for sure.  it was under an 
older os, but the
flaw was in the browser under any os!  i've seen things since that are enough 
to suggest caution.

Tim Collier wrote:
> 
> While this article was WAY too long and boring to read, I did search it
> for mentions of 'OS X' and this year '2004' or '04' and found no
> matches.  This article is VERY dated.
> Have fun with promoting paranoia and I'll just sit back and enjoy using
> my Mac.  Until the day comes when I turn it on and find that it is
> 'really' infected with a virus or whatever, I'm not going to worry
> about it.  Call me stupid, but that's how I feel.
> I'm tired of the entire topic as I feel it is just playing on the fears
> of a fanatical few......and plan to just ignore future posts on this
> thread.
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