>> All righty then! I made the leap and got a Revision 1 B&W for a nice price >> (I thought) of $80, about $20 shipping, should get it this week! > > VERY nice price, Deb; big part of why B&W's are the "sweet spot" for > budget-constrained Low End Macophiles. You're gonna love how well it > runs X. How soon is the new addition to the family due to arrive? > >> Anyway it's a pretty basic setup (got it from the LEM swap list!! YAY!): >> >> G3/300 B&W >> System 9.2 >> Memory 128MB >> 24X CD >> 2-Firewire ports >> 2-USB ports >> 1-ADB port >> Ethernet >> 6 Gig Hard Drive > > I just got (yesterday) a similarly configged Rev 1 for my own main Mac, > to replace Old Blue who I recently placed in a "mixed marriage" home > (His iBook, Her PeeCee). I helped Vince switch about a year ago, and > together we're trying to lure Elaine back from the Dark Side....my sig > line is based in something more than just tongue-in-cheek humor, y'know. > >> So I can use [from my MiniTower] the upgrade card >> (I know, Gene, but I"m gonna give it a try!) > > Hey, a G4/800 is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, even > at 66 MHz bus speed. Do yourself a favor, though - find a replacement > that fully utilizes the B&W's 100 MHz bus ASAP. I have a PowerLogix > G3/800 if you wanna talk swap (settled on giving Blue Gene Too the > PowerLogix G4/600). Contact me off-list if you're interested. > > I've *really* felt your pain for the past couple weeks, trying to get > Panther running on my All-In-One while shopping for my next B&W. That > definitely did NOT work out as I'd hoped - wound up using my G3'ed Power > Computing PowerCenter MT as my main Mac. Luckily, I was able to > overclock an IBM (Copper) 300/512K ZIF (a Swaplist special, natch) to > 450 MHz - just fast enough for tolerable Panther performance. Boy > howdy, the sacrifices I make for the sake of Mac Evangelism! > >> Also have a SIIG SCSI card apparently it's a scsi-2, I used to use it for an >> external CDRW on my peecee. There is mac software (Not OSX tho) for a newer >> scsi card they have. I downloaded it "just in case." > > Good luck with that card. Maybe you'll be able to be able to use a SCSI > drive for backups and such. And it'd sure come in handy if you have any > other SCSI peripherals you'd like to keep using. > >> What I'm gonna do tho is install OSX right away, as I had so much trouble >> doing that on the MT. And HEY no 8 GB limit, right? >> >> Any other advice? I'm soooo excited!! > > Data-wise, put anything and everything you'd like to keep handy on a OS > 9-bootable hard drive *NOW* - before you do anything with the B&W. > > Pax, > -- > Gene, a.k.a. G-Man > Friends don't let friends do Windows
>> Hooo boy. Just looked up my receipt for the 256 mb ram stick I got >> from OWC >> and it's a 66! NOT for the B&W! Bummer! >> >> Is there any way to test the speed of the other sticks? I googled it >> and >> there is a RAM test machine for $500! YIKES! The other sticks came >> with the >> G3 Minitower. >> >> Deb in Rhode Island > > Although I have never used OWC, I wouldn't be afraid to buy from them. > I have purchased from someone that I believe used to be a member of > this list. I think that RAM is so damn cheap these days that you don't > necessarily need to pinch pennies to fulfill your computer's slots. > Link to the people I have purchased from http://www.ramdirect.com/ > they treated me right. HTH > > Kevin > Plug the various numbers you see on the chips into Google. Generally you > find spec sheet that gives you the speed and capacity. > > It's always been frustrating that the most important, to the consumer, > specs are omitted from the RAM chips, (and often hard disks too) -- > capacity and speed, leaving you to decipher esoteric codes in this manner. > With the following URL you can try to find out what speed it is: > http://info.macserve.net/chipmunk.nl-DRAM-mirror/ChipManufacturers.htm > >> I googled it and >> there is a RAM test machine for $500! YIKES! The other sticks came with the >> G3 Minitower. > > Ouch if those RAMs originally came with the beige G3 they're most likely > PC66 aswell :( > > BTW if you're going to buy new RAM, don't get 512MB sticks. The B&W G3's > memory controler can only handle 256MB per slot. If you do install those > they'll show up as only 256MB. > So the max RAM a B&W G3 can take is 4x256MB=1GB. > > HTH, > Marc Wow! Isn't this list the greatest? Gene: wow so many people I can aggravate with questions about the B&W! Supposed to be coming today, so you kow what I'll be doing tonight, God willing! I did research the G4 upgrades and sure enough, only one (and I forget now which one) gives you the 100 mhz speed, albeit the other ones (Sonnet, etc.) don't have that information anywhere! So you have to assume that it's slower, right? Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick? You are a riot! I may take you up on your G3 powerlogix, guess the 100 mhz would make up for it not being a G4, right? I only was able to put OS X.1 on the Minitower the first time with Xpostfacto but it was soooo slow I took it off, and that was that. Never was able to install any flavor of OS X after that. As for scsi, yes I have an old Umax S-6E scanner I'd love to keep and the scsi card may help there. yes, I have a nice 30 GB drive with everything i need, think I'd have a problem just swapping that out for the one that comes with the B&W? I got nervous and bought the Sonnet Tempo ATA/133 PCI Host Adapter Card (OWC) because i really NEED to use more than one IDE drive (I have an 80 gigger I was trying to use for OS X). So this B&W will probably nickel and dime me to death, as have all of my Macs thus far. Maybe I shoulda just sprung for the mini.....too late now. Kevin: yep isn't cheap ram wonderful? I'll probably pony up for a couple of 256 mb chips soon. And Marc, yep I know all about only being able to do the 256 versus the 512 thing. And 1 GB of ram for about $100 (from OWC at least) is incredible! Plus some LEM-Swaplisters have some too for cheap. And WOW thanks for that RAM identifier link, it's incredible! Ahhhhh the things I have learned from this list are immeasurable! You all never fail to tackle any problem! As for a current problem, anyone know why my DVD burner from OWC (106) keeps on being unrecognizable when I'm copying over huge folders from one drive to another? I copy from one IDE drive to another as in (from system profiler): Internal ATA 1 - hard drive ID=1 is the copy FROM drive Internal ATA 0 - hard drive ID=0 is the copy TO drive Internal ATA 1 - ID=0 is the DVD-R (106) When I go to copy big folders (over 1 GB) every 10 seconds or so, it seems to pause, then up comes this: This disk is unreadable by this computer. Do you want to initialize the disk? Name: untitled Format; ProDos OK choices: Eject and Initialize I push eject and the tray pops out and stays out; I push initialize and then it says it can't do it. Then in both cases, it goes on to copy some more and the same thing happens at least 10 more times. I have a hacked CD/DVD driver (apple CD/DVD Driver All). The regular Apple one is disabled per some instructions I got a while back. The DVD-R burns GREAT by the way with Toast 5. Well hopefully this worry will disappear with the B&W. Thanks for everything G-Listers, you are manna from heaven for sure for us not-rich Mac lovers. 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