on 8-22-05 6:03 PM, Harry Freeman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > When I had NorthPoint DSL before they filed for chapter 11, the > installer refused to use the house wiring. He installed another > connection directly from the POP (Point of Presence)
Sorry, do you mean the MPOE (Minimum Point of Entry)? The MPOE is where the telco's network goes into your home/business. It might also called a NID (Network Interface Device) or demarc (demarcation point). I always thought a POP was a closet filled with servers, etc. [scratches head] > Of course SBC bought NorthPoint and they won't install ADSL because I'm > 18,000 ft. from the Central Office, but NorthPoint didn't have any > problem. Northpoint was notorious for doing installs that worked marginally, if at all. If it worked out, great. If it didn't, they fobbed it off as a telco problem. Eventually, the ILECs got tired of Northpoint provisioning at such long distances and put a stop to it for ADSL. See their entry here: http://www.broadbandreports.com/distance > As best that I can remember my down-link tested somewhere > around 121kbs and up-link was somewhere around 80kbs which was just > fine with me. I'm not sure that most EUs would be happy with those speeds. In contrast, ISDN runs around 144Kbps. You'd have to be a pretty patient EU to tolerate paying DSL prices for ISDN service. > SBC won't install if your more that 7,720 ft. from the office. Um, I'm not sure where you got that number from, but these are the provisioning distances for SBC DSL: Express (up to 1.5Mbps) - 14,000 from Central Office 18,500 from Remote Terminal (RT) Pro (up to 3.0Mbps) - 9,500 from Central Office 12,500 from RT If SBC only provisioned for people < 8k feet from the CO, their DSL business would be halved (at least). Most people are nowhere near that close to their CO. That's why they built the remote terminals: the RTs allow them to service more customers. > So I have to have comcast for $49.00/month True, but Comcast delivers speeds of up to 6 Mbps, a speed that DSL currently can't hope to match. So while I understand your frustration at paying close to $50 a month for your service, it's only fair to say that you should be getting a much bigger pipe for your money. Have you run speed tests on your cable line? It should be screaming fast. >where those that have Yahoo/SBC ADSL only pay 12.95/month. SBC charges $14.95 monthly (+ taxes, etc.) for Express. Believe me when I tell you that if you (or anyone) has figured out a way to get their DSL for less than that, I'd like you to shoot me an email on how to do it. That $14.95 price point has gotten the Full Geek Treatment from me and I know of no way to get it any lower. It is *not* for lack of trying, I promise. As it stands now, SBC's markup on their DSL service (Express or Pro) is only $3.49 a month. Here's a document from ASI (SBC's backbone provider) telling you what they charge SBC (i.e. the "wholesale" price for DSL): http://tinyurl.com/9bxf7 What SBC is banking on is that you'll renew at the "full price" when your contract runs out. They're basically trying to grab market share from Comcast with their current low price points. At any rate, who told you that you were 18,000ft from the CO? If it was SBC, and they were using a pre-qual tool, those numbers are notoriously inaccurate. For instance, SBC says that, according to their pre-qual tool, I am 29781 feet from the CO. My actual loop length: 38,400 feet. Quite a difference... OTOH, they also tell me that I'm 8,691 feet from a remote terminal. My actual distance is 7,319 feet. That's a 1,372ft difference. So: if you're in SBC territory, do yourself a favor...go here: http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/sbcdirect ...and post your address/phone number and that you'd like to check your distance from the CO or any RTs in the area for DSL serviceability. Note that no one else in the forum can view your info but you and SBC. An actual SBC tech will take a look at this and get back to you with an accurate answer in a few days. _Please be patient_ because they do get hammered with requests and there are only a couple of techs working the forum. You do have to register at the site to post to the forum, but it's free, and you can do so using a Hotmail or other throw-away email addy. It's fairly quick and painless. This way you'll know _for sure_, once and for all, if you'll need to remain a Comcast customer or if SBC can provide you with DSL. It's well worth a try. HTH, James Fraser -- G-List is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- We have Apple Refurbished Monitors in stock! | & CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> G-List list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list messages to: <mailto:[email protected]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/g-list%40mail.maclaunch.com/> iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
