Den 20. feb. 2006 kl. 00.50 skrev G-List:
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Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:51:37 -0500
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Subject: Re: [G] Mac Viruses
At 9:14 PM +0100 02/17/2006, Peter Udbj=F8rg wrote:
As mentioned by other posters, a "virus" one has=20
to willingly download, and then supply with=20
admin pw & un, is not a virus.
Right. It depends on no actual security hole --=20
it's simply a piece of malware that depends on a=20
certain amount of stupidity to occur between the=20
chair and keyboard. I believe the politically=20
correct phrase for this is "human engineering".
The success or failure of such malware on Macs=20
will be a testimate to the IQ of Mac users...
How very true...
However, I picked this line up on "The=20
Registry":"OS X running on x86 means that the=20
skills that people have developed and a lot of=20
the tools people have created for finding=20
problems, analysing problems, and writing the=20
code to take advantage of them, will work," he=20
said. "They no longer need to learn a different=20
assembler or a different memory architecture."
Now tell me this is not horse manure. The new=20
Intel inside the MacIntels are not the old=20
fashioned x86 ones inside any gray Wintel-box,=20
right?
The Register has it right.
The x86 Macs are simply computers, just like=20
Wintel boxes. Right now, the only real diff in=20
the hardware is that the Macs use EFI and the=20
Wintel boxes use BIOS. If hackers can wedge BIOS=20
support into OS X then (+/- a few other issues)=20
it will run on standard wintel boxes.
But is a Macintel an x86 machine? Or how is this?
AND to look at it from the virus' point of=20
view... x86 code is x86 code. It will run=20
equally well on either platform. At issue is=20
what can the viral code *do*. IF OS X implements=20
the proper memory protection schemes, then the=20
viral code can only screw around in the mode in=20
which it's running. Typically that means a=20
lower-privileged user mode, so damage will be=20
limited. Once the virus figures out what OS is=20
running, it can then implement appropriate system=20
calls to do Other Things. Bottom line:=20
Monolithic viral code. :(
That would be VERY bad!
And the OSX'es running on various wintel=20
x86-boxes have been more or less rude hacks.
for now.
I do not think for a million monetary untis I=20
could install an out-of-the-box OSX on a=20
(creepy) pee-cee. I would have to resort to some=20
sort of mumbo-jumbo, sort of like a XpostFacto=20
for pee-see's. And why in the name of (insert=20
favourite deity here) would any sensible person=20
do that? Not for any serious use, just to show=20
off.
What we want is Mac OS X.
If we can have it on without the $$$$$ hardware, ...
Yes, lets have OSX on cheap ugly boxes with no support for either
machine nor peripherals...
:/ pcwu
- Dan.
Peter, Oslo, Norway
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