On Sep 26, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Deiniol ap Deiniol wrote:
Well still no success with FW400 on the G5. Kris, I downloaded the update, but I'm somewhat loath to use it as I don't think it's an OS issue: I have both Tiger on the drive it came with, and Leopard on the SATA drive I put in. FW400 works in neither - if it worked in tiger but not Leopard then I would obviously try this.
I don't remember what update we're talking about, but if it's the latest Combo Update for either 10.4.11 or 10.5.8 you can't do any harm by reinstalling it, and it's possible it could fix your problem, so the only loss is your time.
I recently found a cheap generic FW400 in a box so I've tried that in place of the Belkin FW400/800 card I had in there.. (I've used one of these cheapo PC FW cards before in my Macs and they work fine in G4's) and again it shows up in System Profiler as a firewire card with driver installed., but will not talk to anything, although it powers the device (Griffin FireWave again).
This seems like a software issue that's affecting both the built-in Firewire 400 and the PCI cards. If the problem was hardware, that the built-in Firewire was fried somehow (usually by forcing a plug in reversed, which can be done, and will fry the socket), then you'd expect the PCI card(s) that you've tried to work perfectly, and Apple supports nearly all brands of PCI chipsets for Firewire, although some work better than others, all should mount, and read/write data. Note that Firewire Target Disk mode only works for the built-in Firewire, not the PCI cards.
I just tried launching the G5 in Target Disk mode. With the FireWave plugged in via adapter to the FW800 socket, and a FW400 cable from the FireWave to my MirrorDoor G4 running Leopard, the G5 does not show up as a Target. System Profiler on the MD sees it as an unknown device.with manufature as 'AAPL". I then restarted the G5 and its System Profiler sees the G4 as a Macintosh attached to the FireWave.
This seems like what I'd expect for the problems you're having.
I have internet sharing enabled on both machines but the G5 tells me straight away that I am not connected to the internet when I launch Software Update. However this could be a red herring, as I always seem to have to futz around to get this to work!)
Normally when it says you're not connected, you're not connected. I've never seen the message when I was connected. You may be confused about "Internet Sharing"? Internet Sharing is when you use a 1st Mac to share its internet connection with a 2nd Mac via an alternate port on the 1st Mac. For example, it your MDD has a wired ethernet connection to the internet, you could share that internet access with your G5 via Airport (if the MDD & G5 both have Airport), or by Firewire (if both have working Firewire), or by wired ethernet (if the MDD has a 2nd PCI card wired ethernet port). "Internet Sharing" isn't "File Sharing" which is how you connect two Macs together and mount their HDs on one or both so that files are available on both Macs simultaneously. If you're trying to use Internet Sharing to share the internet connection of the MDD, you may indeed need to futz a tiny bit, but it should work, although it's not clear to me which ports you're using for connecting these two Macs.
I have just tried FW800 cable connecting the two machines, and TDM works fine, using the G5 as Target. Curious! (but not unexpected, as this was how I originally installed Leopard on the G5. (Internet connection sharing still doesn't happen though. More futzing required for that I guess!)
Ok, it appears you are trying to share an internet connection from the MDD to the G5 via the FW800? I'm still thinking you've got a software issue regarding the FW400 because normally if the built-in were fried, the PCI cards would still function normally. After you add the PCI card, you have to open up System Preference>Network so that the new Firewire network ports are recognized and added by the System into the network system software. Once they show up in Network Preferences Pane, then you can share an internet connection over them, but prior to being recognized and added in Network they'll be invisible and dead for "Internet Sharing" or any other TCP/IP over Firewire operations.
further thought anyone?
I'd reinstall those Combo Updates on both Macs, and see what happens. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
