Ahh... missed that. Sorry (and thanks for putting together the page :)
). It seems like we are on the same page - I have created a Trello
card for 'stronger' toolbox filters.

https://trello.com/c/Sg8D2PBj

It occurs to me there may another way to accomplish admin tool
functionality - and in an even more "locked down" fashion. I think you
may be able to setup another Galaxy process with a similar config but
a different tool_config_file setting and it should act as its own
handler+web process as well. Then you could configure your proxy so
admin requests come through this process - or maybe it could have its
own URL, etc.... Maybe this is crazy - I am sure Nate will respond is
this is non-sense :).

-John


On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Eric Rasche <rasche.e...@yandex.ru> wrote:
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> John,
>
> I've been using the dynamic jobs and they've been working beautifully!
> (For context, I wrote the initial revision of the Access Control page
> based off of my readings and experiences setting it up in galaxy).
>
> I, for one, would be in favour of "stronger" filters in addition to the
> current versions of filtering, mostly due to my/IT's paranoid nature :)
> The current filters seem to accomplish exactly what they were designed
> to, and I see no reason to replace them.
>
> On 12/17/2013 06:15 PM, John Chilton wrote:
>> Agreed with Dannon, it is a bug that they are showing up in the workflow
>> editor but in general toolbox filters are not meant as a security
> mechanism.
>>
>> You can block access to running specific tools (filtered or not) using
>> dynamic job destinations. (Under dynamic job destinations documentation (
>>
> https://wiki.galaxyproject.org/Admin/Config/Jobs#Dynamic_Destination_Mapping)
>> there is an example of enforcing "dev" only tools for a specific set of
>> e-mails as well as an example of how to get a list of admin users in a
>> dynamic job destination. These could be combined to enforce admin only
>> tools. I think there has been some other posts on this topic... )
>>
>> It is true that one can still see the options of such tools, this is
>> something we will have to think about... Perhaps a 'stronger' filter,
>> though I think this variant of filtering should still be an option, there
>> are many use cases for allowing users to run tools they cannot see.
>>
>> -John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Dannon Baker
> <dannon.ba...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> This sounds like a bug; the primary toolbox and workflow editor toolbox
>>> should reflect the same set of tools (exception being workflow-specific
>>> control steps, etc).  I've created a trello card to track this issue
> here:
>>> https://trello.com/c/3TxFHkYR
>>>
>>> That said, do note the warning on the dynamic toolbox filters page:
>>>
>>> [image: <!>]  Filters will only hide Tools from the User Interface, they
>>> are still available and can be made visible by means of HTML
> manipulation.
>>> That said these feature is not a security feature, it is intended to
>>> separate multiple groups of Tools and simplify the
> ToolBox<https://wiki.galaxyproject.org/ToolBox>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Eric Rasche
> <rasche.e...@yandex.ru>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I'm running the stable copy of galaxy and noticed that some custom,
>>>> administrative tools (and otherwise tools which should be restricted in
>>>> access due to licensing/etc.) were showing up in normal user's toolboxes
>>>> inside the workflow editor.
>>>>
>>>> I feel that this is a bug, as the tool filters should be applied
> globally
>>>> and not just in terms of what tools users are restricted from seeing  in
>>>> the normal toolbox.
>>>>
>>>> For me, this presents a problem as I strongly believe any administrative
>>>> tools that exist should leak as little information as possible--not
> their
>>>> entire set of options and associated documentation. Additionally,
> that sort
>>>> of information leakage isn't acceptable by my organisation's policies.
>>>>
>>>> Do I have my instance misconfigured or is this an actual bug?
>>>> I have my galaxy configured according to
>>>> https://wiki.galaxyproject.org/Admin/Config/Access%20Control
>>>>
>>>> $ hg head
>>>> changeset:   11242:9d4cbf2a1c13
>>>> branch:      stable
>>>> tag:         tip
>>>> user:        Nate Coraor <n...@bx.psu.edu> <n...@bx.psu.edu>
>>>> date:        Fri Dec 06 16:28:31 2013 -0500
>>>> summary:     Add missing destination long arg to cli runner's Torque
>>>> plugin and fix an incorrectly used PBS option in the sample job conf.
>>>>
>>>> changeset:   11216:c458a0fe1ba8
>>>> parent:      11213:6d633418ecfa
>>>> parent:      11215:f79149dd3d35
>>>> user:        Nate Coraor <n...@bx.psu.edu> <n...@bx.psu.edu>
>>>> date:        Mon Nov 04 14:56:57 2013 -0500
>>>> summary:     Merge security fix for filtering tools from
>>>> stable/next-stable.
>>>>
>>>> $ hg summary
>>>> parent: 11242:9d4cbf2a1c13 tip
>>>>  Add missing destination long arg to cli runner's Torque plugin and fix
>>>> an incorrectly used PBS option in the sample job conf.
>>>> branch: stable
>>>> commit: 4 modified, 34 unknown
>>>> update: (current)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Eric Rasche
>>>>
>>>> Programmer II
>>>> Center for Phage Technology
>>>> Texas A&M University
>>>>
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