You are all so old ? 2013/11/11 Randall Morgan <rmorga...@gmail.com>: > BTW, Most Enter Keys on Qwerty keyboards still maintain the old > line-feed/Carriage-Return Arrow. An arrow that goes down and then to the > left. Does your laptop Enter key have that icon? If so, that is the icon > for "Return". > > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:26 AM, nando <nand...@nothingsimple.com> wrote: > >> Thank you for the nostalgia. >> I had an 8800b - lots of fun. >> and I do remember the black ones were NC. >> >> Early in the PC days, there was no keypad. >> I remember explicitly when the keypad came into use, >> the keypad ENTER was a different code. >> Caused me a headache, but allowed for using the keypad differently too. >> Good and bad. >> >> -Fernando >> >> >> ---------- Original Message ----------- >> From: Randall Morgan <rmorga...@gmail.com> >> To: mailing list for gambas users <gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net> >> Sent: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 20:01:31 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [Gambas-user] Key code constant wrong? >> >> > This is an interesting thread.... If you look back at some of the early >> > keyboards you will see that they did name the two keys differently. And >> > this was a hold over from the use of Qwerty keyboards on teletypes and >> > typewriters. The key on the text (main) keyboard is the return key. On >> > teletypes the key causes the carriage to return to the beginning of the >> > line. While the Enter key on the ten-key (numerical) keypad was taken >> from >> > the mechanical adding machines of the day. The enter key caused the >> > numerical value that was punch into numerical keys to be entered into the >> > calculation. >> > >> > With the move away from these mechanical devices most people (except us >> old >> > timers) have never seen or used a mechanical ten-key or Underwood >> > typewriter. The effect of the two keys on computer systems today is >> pretty >> > much the same. However I believe they remain separate for two reasons. >> > First, the need to maintain compatibility with any software that does use >> > them differently and second because the keys are laid out in a matrix >> > fashion that causes each key to have a distinct value. But it would not >> > surprise me if someday the keys are merged. >> > >> > Hope that shines some light on where the difference came from. My first >> PC >> > was an Altair 8800 without a keyboard. Mice hadn't been invented and >> > remember joy and sense of accomplishment we felt when my father and I got >> > the 88 to draw a circle on the oscilloscope. My first key pad was radio >> > shack's little red (the black ones were n.c. and the red n.o.) all tide >> > together on a piece of paneling. All buffered with 7404 hex inverters and >> > sent to a custom board plugged into the 88's back plane. Those were the >> > days when you build what you programmed. A lot of fun and a lot of work! >> I >> > sure wish I still had that old 88. It would be worth something now but it >> > was lost in a fire. >> > >> > Ok, I'm done with the nostalgia thanks for letting me share. Hope I shed >> a >> > bit of light on the key issue. >> > >> > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Dimitris Anogiatis <dos...@gmail.com >> >wrote: >> > >> > > Perhaps its a remnand from the typewriter days...where the separation >> > > between line feed and carriage return was more visible due to its >> > > mechanical nature. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 2:10 AM, Benoît Minisini < >> > > gam...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Le 10/11/2013 06:05, Alain Baudrez a écrit : >> > > > > >> > > > > Why is Enter printed on that key on my laptop ?? >> > > > > >> > > > > I would never have guessed to refer to Key.Return instead of >> key.Enter. >> > > > > >> > > > > Alain >> > > > >> > > > Good question: both are named "Enter" (in french) on my keyboard too, >> > > > but they have always been two different keys internally. >> > > > >> > > > You must assume that two physicals different keys should always have >> > > > different Key.Code values (even if this is not always the case!). >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Benoît Minisini >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > > November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers >> > > > Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. >> > > > Explore >> > > > techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. 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