I'm not a moderator, but I do think I remember Thomas politely asking that this topic be closed. I just thought I'd bring that up.
Best Regards, Hayden -----Original Message----- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] is it really progress? - Re: end of keyboards, was Throwaway Tech my issue is with braille devices even if you are able to afford them to get one serviced heck to get any tech serviced especially accss tech like braille devices costs a lot and may entale getting another device. At 02:13 p.m. 27/10/2014, you wrote: >I guess if you want a braille display or embosser you have to buy one >on ebay and hope that it works. > >On 10/26/2014 7:18 PM, tim wrote: >>If it wasn't for these so called machine doing the reading. Than >>thousands of books wouldn't be available for those to read even if you >>know brail. Because not all books are transferred to brail and not all >>readers have access to those books. That is why these machines do >>brail translation for those that want them.. >> >>At 05:30 PM 10/26/2014, you wrote: >>>Hi Charlse. >>> >>>We have had the "Braille vs screen reader" debate before and I still >>>disagree, if a person is listening to an audio book that is still >>>reading if you ask me. likewise, if a person in the future writes a >>>book vvia dictation that's still writing. It's content that matters. >>> >>>Is a great sheff today any the less of a sheff because they do not >>>cut sticks, lay a fire, use a refrigerator, need to turn a spit, use >>>a bellows to keep the fire going or anyth of the other things which >>>in the past were necessary to cook? Heck no. If they are a great >>>sheff we judge them by what they produce, not how they produce it. >>> >>>For me, a far greater concern is the standardization of methods of >>>production and disemination which could influence creativity. In the >>>same way as a sheff who only had access to tinned goods would not be >>>as good a sheff as a sheff who could put their own individual stamp >>>on fresh ingredience, I am concerned that kitbox creation methods and >>>standardization (not to mention need to appeal to an increasingly >>>small number of corporations which is a hole other debate), might >>>have an adverse affect on creativity. >>> >>>If for example the dictation software couldn't handle fantasy names, >>>or unusual punctuation that could be a major creative issue. >>> >>>That is why I personally believe written language and letters will >>>continue sinse use of letters and punctuation allows the greatest >>>diversity in creation, whether that's writing, coding or whatever, >>>and why, while I don't agree about braille, I do not like the idea of >>>everyone devolving into text speak sinse limitation of language also >>>involves limitation of thought. >>> >>>I also get concerned over tools like madlibs, rhyming dictionary >>>programs or synonym creators, and (to bring this back to games), if >>>game creation became too limited. For example if the only thing on >>>offer was customizations of console games based on choice, eg, >>>creating a character by selecting from a huge bunch of elements, >>>rather than allowing a platform where people could program their own >>>games, or even create their own elements in a scripting language. >>> >>>Whether in the future the letters are typed, brailled, written with a >>>pen, or selected from some sort of efficient on screen keyboard >>>doesn't seem to matter to me, same with programming so long as the >>>choice still exists and the end product can be as individualized. >>> >>>Ironically, a friend of mine who is a student of literature said >>>people actually thought the same of the printing press. The arguement >>>was if copies of a book could be instantly created by printing rather >>>than painstakingly copied out by hand, this made the book less >>>valuable and encouraged laziness on the part of the authors, as well >>>as devaluing of the book on the part of the reader. >>> >>>Indeed apparently some holy orders forbade religious books to be >>>printed, and the gutenberg Bible was actually banned in some parts of Europe. >>> >>>Beware the grue! >>> >>>Dark. >>> >>>--- >>>Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the >>>list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>>list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >>--- >>Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the >>list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > >--- >Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the >list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. >If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. 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