Those who say that you cannot use the computer for other than work related tasks should also be targets. They should also be asked if they use their computer for strictly those purposes or if they know others who take this attitude.

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Just because you can, doesn't mean you do. I think we should also target the folks who've been told "you use your computer to type documents, and nothing
else".

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From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:09
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(wasinfo games game engines)

If you can use screen magnification software on your PC, I would think that you can also play graphically oriented games, and so would not fall into the
market this project is aimed at.

If you are not braille literate due to a lack of its importance in your
life, and you rely on your audio speech technology, you can use a search
engine or Email, and are not a member of the target audience, either.

That leaves those who get their information through the use of braille, and
who are not aware of the existence of computer games designed for blind
people.  They may not even have a computer, and the gaming might be what
gets them interested.  The braille readers who may be cut off from the
computer literate should be the focus.

Maybe other methods of pamphlet distribution can be available at conventions
or other gathering events where there will be a lot of blind and visually
impaired people, but I think that braille should be the main media format.

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Hi Charles,

Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over
electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed.
Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a
generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world.

There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were
taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal
preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have
many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor
technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer
relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they
spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget
which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life.

In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational
campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of
distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments
for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something
else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large
print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't
read braille but do need large print etc.

Cheers!


On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard <wee1s...@fidnet.com> wrote:
I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in
formats other than electronic for a change.  Although they may be few,
there

are people who prefer to do their own reading.  There also may be people
who

don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest.  What
made

the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer
application--the
Spreadsheet.  Once their value was realized, we've never looked back.
Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to
find

out about the gaming field from somewhere.  Maybe through a friend or
something, but nothing beats reading about it unaided in any way,
browsing a

catalog or advertisement pamphlet at your own pace and leisure.  Braille
is

the way to go.  No machine is necessary.  Read it yourself, just like
anyone

else at conventions does.

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