Not meaning to get off topic, but what about Linux? Since I 
suppose Thom you use Linux pretty heavily, what's the screen 
reader output on that if you know?

Thanks.









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>From: Thomas Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers@audyssey.org
>Date sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:50:56 -0500
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Engine was  gma game engine

>Hi Bryan and all,
>I'd like to make a couple of corrections about the Mac.  I've 
seen a few
>comments based on very old out dated information that is no 
longer true
>for Mac OS.  So I'd like to spend the next couple of paragraphs 
to point
>out some of these changes.
>First, the Outspoken screen reader for Mac no longer exists.  It 
was
>discontinued sometime around the time Mac OS X came out.  Apple 
has made
>its own sscreen reader, VoiceOver, which is built directly into 
Mac OS
>Tiger and Mac OS Leopard.
>There are many advantages that VoiceOver has over Outspoken.  One 
of
>these is because VoiceOver is intigrated into the Mac OS 
installation
>you can install Mac OS with speech.  You never have to depend on 
someone
>else to help you install the operating system.
>Second, it is true under Mac OS 9 and earlier the Apple voices 
were not
>very good.  Under Mac OS 10.4 and later the speech quality is as 
good as
>if not better than Windows TTS engines.  I've recently had a 
chance to
>play with VoiceOver on Mac OS 10.5 Leopard and it is extremely
>responsive.  The TTS engines are extremely good.
>Third, a lot of people are all too quick to point out there is 
more
>software for Windows than Mac.  This is true in some respects, 
but there
>is a lot of Mac stuff out there that probably goes unnoticed.  
One reason
>is not every computer store nation wide carries Mac stuff.  You 
usually
>have to go to a special Mac dealer to get Mac software and 
hardware.
>Some dealers carry both, but they aren't as many as those 
exclusively
>selling Windows based PC software and hardware.
>Another reason Mac OS software may go unnoticed is that there is 
a lot
>more open source applications for Mac then there is for Windows.  
Since
>it is open source it doesn't ship with the OS or come on a cd 
from a
>computer store.  You will need to download it from the internet, 
run it
>through the Mac compilers, and install it.  No problem for guys 
like me
>who have been doing this for 10 years on Linux.

>Bryan Peterson wrote:
>> And I don't know if it's improved much since the days when I was 
forced to
>> use it by the fact that my High School's computer lab was all 
Mac, but I
>> absolutely hated OutSpoken.  I could hardly understand the darn 
thing most of
>> the time.  And that annoying crackling noise it always made 
didn't help any.
>> Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so.



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