what i'm saying is true, face facts wasn't meant to be hmurus meant to be plain facts
On Aug 3, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Hayden Presley wrote: > Hi, > I'm agreeing with you. I was referring to the less-than-humorous post > submitte by Wiliam (I really need to stop replying the replies of the post > I'm talking about). > > Best Regards, > Hayden > > -----Original Message----- > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On > Behalf Of Ron Schamerhorn > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:33 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Development setbacks > > Hi Haiden > > I'm not sure where this came out of but I'm not criticising Tom and his > MOTA development by any means with the below post. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hayden Presley" <hdpres...@hotmail.com> > To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Development setbacks > > > Hi Ron, > I agree. That was one of the most un-amusing things I heard yesterday, as > far as that goes. My advice to you is, learn to program,, write your own > game, we'll see how long it takes to get a good, bug-free, stable release. > > Best Regards, > Hayden > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On > Behalf Of Ron Schamerhorn > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 2:58 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Development setbacks > > I'm guessing this was intended to be somewhat humourous. Well to put it > bluntly itwent over like a lead balloon. > Tom has been working his backside off for the game and some of the > setbacks were circumstances beyond anyones control. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "william lomas" <will.d.lo...@gmail.com> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Development setbacks > > > we have been waiting for six years a few weeks no different now lol > the game will be out eventually but why not just wait for version 1 as i > think eventually people will lose interest > most of us buying it have played levels 1 and 2 for the last ten or so betas > > On Aug 1, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Darren Duff wrote: > >> I say do what ya gotta do man. We can wait for it.... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On >> Behalf Of Thomas Ward >> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 1:32 PM >> To: Gamers Discussion list >> Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA Development setbacks >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I know a number of you have asked about beta 21. Many of you have noticed >> that the Mysteries of the Ancients home page says beta 21 on the website, >> but there is no download available. Well, here is the reason why. >> >> Anyone who has been programming for any length of time knows that 25% of >> the >> time is actually spent on writing/designing the software and the other 75% >> is spent on debugging or trying to fix it. I must confess that I am no >> exception to the rule. In particular Mysteries of the Ancients is no >> exception either, and I've got a hard lesson in if it isn't broke don't >> try >> to fix it. Reason being after a month of trying to fix Mysteries of the >> Ancients beta 20 I've come to realize what I have on my hands is a big >> problem. Oh, it can be fixed but how I plan to resolve the problem is >> likely >> to set us back somewhat in the process. >> >> Basically, what happened is when I started work on beta 19 I modified >> Mysteries of the Ancients so it would compile and run on the >> cross-platform >> engine. Along the way I fixed a number of bugs present in beta 18, but of >> course people weren't too happy about FMOD Ex for audio. So I thought, "no >> big deal. I'll just change everything back, recompile, and it will work >> just >> fine." Wrong! >> >> Sometime after I edited the MOTA beta 19 source code, recompiled it with >> the >> Windows G3D engine the game has never worked quite right ever since. The >> game crashes when you alt+tab away from the window, torches burn out after >> 25 seconds or so, levers reset before they are suppose to, Angela >> sometimes >> instantly dies after getting attacked by a Harpy, and all sorts of unusual >> bugs like that. I've fixed or addressed some of the bugs, but not all of >> them. After a month of trying to correct them one by one I've given up >> trying on the current version. I've concluded while the bugs might be >> fixable there might be a simpler but slightly less desirable alternative >> to >> the problem which I will explain below. >> >> As many of you know I use a Linux computer for much of my day to day work. >> One of the programming tools I have installed is called subversion. What >> subversion does for a developer like myself is I can checkin or backup >> changes to an ongoing project and it will catalog and store every single >> version of the source code being worked on. So if I want to return to an >> older release it is easy as logging into subversion and telling it I want >> to >> checkout the 0.18 source code and it will download the 0.18 source code to >> my project directory. This makes it a simple matter for a developer to >> roll >> back to a prior release if necessary. In this case I think it is more than >> necessary. >> >> So what I plan to do is delete the beta 20/21 source code and checkout >> 0.18, >> beta 18, from subversion since I know that version wasn't nearly as buggy >> as >> beta 20. Once I checkout the beta 18 source code from subversion I can >> attempt to patch it with some of the changes, but as I've forgotten what >> exactly I fixed in beta 19 and beta 20 some old bugs may return in beta >> 21. >> Plus some features such as speech interrupt were added later and won't be >> available to you until I go back in and add that support to Mysteries of >> the >> Ancients. Basically, as I said earlier this will set us back on our >> development schedule, but I think this is a necessary measure as it is the >> only way I can think of to correct some of these bugs that simply were not >> present in beta 18 and earlier. So here is the plan. >> >> I'm going to checkout beta 18 this afternoon, work on a patch to bring >> beta >> 18 more or less up to current, and release that as beta 21. Once we test >> that, find any bugs that need fixed, features that need to be put back in, >> etc I'll release an update, beta 22, to resolve any left over issues in >> trying to upgrade beta 18 to current. It could take a couple of weeks to >> really get everything back up to speed so to speak, but I think the >> problem >> is fixable. 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