Hi,
Sorry for off-topic but is this engine fully released?
saygilar sevgiler.
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From: "Scott Chesworth" <scottcheswo...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Halloween Project
Hi Tom,
As much as I'm itching to get my hands on MOTA 3d and see what the
engine can do, I reckon the side scroller with extensive 2d movement
would be the most appropriate for a retro take on this series. I'd say
learn a valuable lesson from MOTA and go with your gut instinct rather
than what we want. If you left this thread here for long enough,
there'd likely be a fairly even split between the gamers who see games
as a challenge and compare them to mainstream wanting FPS, and the
people who play games for fun sticking to what they know and love in
the form of another side scroller. IMHO, with a development timeframe
like this (assuming you intend to release on or around 31st October),
getting something addictive out should be the focus rather than
pushing boundaries. Remember that whatever you release is going to be
a first taste of a true FPS environment rendered in audio for some
people, and if that's not water-tight, it might impact sales of MOTA
3D. Reputation is everything in a small comunity like this, so for a
quick release, do something you're 100% sure you're going to nail.
Scott
On 9/28/11, Thomas Ward <thomasward1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dark,
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. If I were going to do a 2d
side-scroller obviously I would include full 2d elements like climbing
up and down staircases, jumping low walls, jumping onto ledges
above/below you, etc. All of that is pretty par for the course.
What I meant to say is that I could use a more traditional 2d layout
where the level is a long rectangle rather than a square is in the
case of MOTA. The levels could start out simple and get more complex
depending on where you are. For instance, the first couple of levels
might be out in the courtyard jumping low walls, fighting off
skeletons, zombies, and werewolves, etc. Then, you get into the castle
proper. Here you would have wooden staircases, hidden spike traps, and
other traditional Castlevania elements. The basic point I was making
is that creating a 2d level is a lot less complex than a 3d one. That
is especially true for something like Q9 or Super Liam where there is
no full 2d movement involved. However, it sounds like the majority of
gamers so far want 3d so I'm now leaning that way.
Cheers!
On 9/28/11, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
Hi Tom.
Well as I said a side scroller would sute me just as much as something
fully
3D, however if the game is to be a side scroller, I'd prefer it to be a
true! 2D side scroller like the original game, with your character
climbing
up and down stairs, maybe even taking on flying enemies or jumping
betwene
ledges.
As we've discussed on list before, Q9 and Superliam, while both fun,
don't
really qualify as 2D sinse they make litle to no use of an actual second
dimention.
For a castlevania game, some or all of which would be set in a castle,
going
up stairs, climbing around and finding items (with of course the big
boss
fight on the highest tower), would be a crytical part of gameplay,
indeed
the stairs made a huge difference to Super castlevania, changing where
you
fought enemies, which route was easier and where items were, indeed some
levels just involved very long assents or descents going up or down
stairs.
I personally would feel quite disappointed if a castlevania game just
involved walking along hitting things as fast as possible jumping the
occasional pit like Q9.
Beware the Grue!
dark.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] USA Games Halloween Project
Hi Dark,
Yes, I've thought about that problem. The 3d navigation isn't bad, but
could use improvements etc. Plus it takes a bit more time to do a full
3d level as there is a lot more to code. With a 2d side-scroller it
doesn't really take much to code at all. Especially, if we are talking
simple levels like Q9 or Super Liam for an initial release.
I think, and this is just my thoughts currently, doing the initial
release as a side-scroller is probably the right thing to do. For one,
it is much simpler to code than a full 3d game. Two, it can be made
into a classic arcade game like the original Castlevania which for
some people would be something of a retro remake. Finally, we know the
ability to create side-scrollers is extremely stable, is working well,
and I can borrow lots of code from MOTA to get a basic game up and
running in a fairly short amount of time. So it would be the logical
choice here.
However, before I make it final I would like to get people's input on
it. After all, there are plenty of advantages in a FPS game too. It
just might take a little longer to create. Yet it would be more
rewarding, I think, if it was in full 3d.
Cheers!
On 9/28/11, dark <d...@xgam.org> wrote:
Hi Tom.
Myself, I can't actually decide.
As you know, i'm certainly a fan of the Castlevania games (or at least
those
I've been able to play like super castlevania), so on the one hand
having
something like that in audio would be awsome.
then again, I'm deffinately looking forward to seeing what the Genesis
engine can do in 3D sinse other than some promos we've not had chance
to
try
that yet, and spelunking around a vampire's castle in ful 3D certainly
sounds fun.
the only observation I will make, is that sinse this would be the
first
time
the public get to see the 3D engine, ---- and arguably the first ever
3D
fps
audio game, odds are things might need tinkering with, ---- eg,
navigation
sounds, sonar, area views etc.
if your prepared to do that at this stage, ---- fair enough, however I
wouldn't want to see a situation where around December people were
hastling
you to get Mota out of the door while you were stil monkeying with 3D
in
order to get your castlevania game working properly, that could be
problematic.
of course you are the only one who knows how well the 3D navigation is
working at the moment and how much trouble making the game and
possibly
modifying it would be, so your really the best person to decide this,
pluss,
as I said, I personally win either way ;D.
All the best,
Dark.
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