Hi.
You can still go and put things in different places. I do myself. But you really don't have to use anything but the search box most of the time. Even I could admit when I first tried Vista that even though I was absolutely fantastic with the xp start menu hitting p for programs then g for games then g for GMA then t for tank commander, etc, it really is nice to just type tank and then hit enter. isn't that just slightly easier? I'm not trying to get in a disagreement with you since we have similar views on this subject, it's just that have you really tried out that search box? It's absolutely one of my favorite things about win7 and it really does make launching programs that you have in the start menu easier than before. I just wish I could figure out how to add other folders that I create in my user profile to the list of possible results. I mean, I didn't like vista, and at first while I might have been willing to admit that win7 fixed most of the performance problems I just thought everything was actually harder to do than ever before. You could get me on a role just complaining how it was actually taking a lot more steps to get to what you wanted when MS claimed the whole OS was laid out to require less clicks to get to what you wanted. Well it was, I was absolutely right. That is, I was until I started finally figuring out that there were new ways of getting to that stuff that I didn't know about. Like for instance connecting to WiFi networks is so much easier in 7 than in xp it isn't even funny. Windows b, arrow to the network icon, hit enter, down arrow to the network you want and hit enter on that. Hit enter again on the connect button and you'll also notice that Win7 establishes a WiFi connection in a serious hurry. It's so much faster than xp ever thought of connecting to a WiFi network. I don't know what they did but wow. Take the mobility center. That thing is my dream. Windows x brings up a dialogue letting you actually adjust the screen brightness, change the power plan in a simple list box, adjust the volume, turn off your WiFi, in my case turn off hp 3d drive guard, connect or disconnect an external display, etc all in a simple dialogue that I can tab around and use my arrows to adjust. Now that's what I call nifty. Take the task bar dock thingy. I have all my screen readers pinned to it and internet explorer 9, and I believe my email client is pinned there somewhere though not sure about that. Now let's say I want to launch monkey term. It's the 5the item on that thing. So I just hit windows 5. That fires up mt right away and focuses it. I now want to research something on the web so windows 1 for internet explorer. Up it comes and because I use about blank for my homepage I land right in the address box to type where I want to go. So I load up a page and someone wants my attention on Alter Aeon so I want Monkey Term to focus again. Instead of alt+tabbing because you bet I'll have to alt+tab 5 or 6 times to get to it I'll just windows 5 again to immediately bring it into focus, without launching a new copy.

Tell me that isn't awesome!

By the way, that classic shell thing is nice. It's even better because when it's installed it doesn't actually replace your start menu that windows uses. It makes another one that you press a different key to bring up. The one I had also modified windows explorer and I think it can modify IE9 to put the status bar back on it.

Anyway, I seriously loved xp, and I still do but I got to say, Win7 has allowed me to get off xp. I'm ok using 7 and I really miss some of the things I just mentioned when I get on an xp computer. And you know what? Win 7 home basic, I wouldn't recommend starter, really runs on lousy hardware ok. That Umid MBook SE I keep talking about I put home basic on it. It runs it fairly well. It doesn't even run more processes than windows xp does in the task manager. Of course, if It hadn't been a Korean computer and if it had come with 7 home basic already installed you bet it would have a bunch of crap installed on it that would have made it look bad. I mean, I can run win7 in something that fits in my pocket! Lol.

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On 12/12/2011 9:39 AM, dark wrote:
As I said valliant, I just don't like relying on a search box, I prefer to physically go and put things in different places.

Also, the expanded thing was irritating in the explorer for windows 7, I personally prefer just hitting enter on a folder to see what's inside it, though again this is just microsoft altering the Ui and telling people it's different.

I'll probably get that program quentin mentioned.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf


Hi.
It's easy to turn off the most recently used programs from displaying in the start menu, just as it is easy to turn that off in windows xp without needing to switch it to the classic start menu which I don't like by the way. I like xp's default start menu with the most recent programs list turned off much more than the classic start menu that looks like windows 98. Also I like that win7's start menu is a tree view that's a little easier to find things in even without using the search box. If you want something in programs just go to the start menu, up arrow out of the edit box, right arrow to programs, up arrow again to get out of the search box that you'll land on in there, and type a few letter of what you want, like gm for GMA tank commander or you could type aud hit right arrow type gm right arrow type ta for tank commander right arrow type pl for play though I believe you'd already be on play so you might get unexpected results in that particular case. What I don't like about 7's start menu is that once you open something, you can't close it without first arrowing up to the actual item you're inside, so if you're in the GMA folder you have to arrow up to where it says GMA expanded and then hit left arrow to close it. That's pretty annoying when you're used to hitting left arrow a bunch of times indiscriminately like I do in thunderbird to close what you've expanded your way out onto.

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On 12/12/2011 8:17 AM, dark wrote:
Thanks quentin,

It's good to know that someone! in the open source community has thought the same and won't accept what microsoft give out.

Certainly when I do have to get windows 7 I'll have a look for that program.

i've heard of classic shell before, but I don't think that covers the start menue.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf


Hi dark,

For the problem you mention with windows 7 start menu, there is a good solution: there is a small program called classic start menu. You will easily find it on google. This program is very light, and replace the crappy mmixed up windows 7 start menu with a classic start menu like W98 or XP. I use it allmost since I switched to W7, because original start menu of windows 7 annoyed me as well. In fact the only nice thing in the W7 start menu is the search field, all the rest is crap.


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