arnt, here's page i found online about the imbert ford truck in the deutsches museum. this is from an enthusiasts group of vehicles produced at the ford cologne factory- pre, during and post wwII. ford has a very large history in germany. they were 50% of the truck market in the late 30s.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.fomcc.de/v8_51.htm&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhg8BFWubmlOoQaSugS1IG1qXeB6iA this page has a picture of the truck, showing the paint burned off the bottom of the holzvergaser, and good info on the german ford truck production history. there is also a interesting page on imbert's life story on the same site. it fills in a bit on why he was in germany, and how he got into gasification in general. see here: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.fomcc.de/imbert.htm&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhiA-DwTfSVuXeggDJoPxGpPSQy61A On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Arnt Karlsen <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:01:30 -0700, jim wrote in message > <[email protected]>: > > > i'm still in munich and still enjoying the deutsches museum. i asked > > for permission to inspect the internals of the imbert gasifier on the > > adler and was, shockingly, granted an "ok" to do so. i spent three > > hours digging around in it yesterday, taking pictures of all > > internals, measuring details for cad drawings, and taking char > > samples. i was rather wonderful, in a somewhat disturbingly geeky > > way. > > ..aye, a silly happy sooty grin on all pictures > is the price you pay for such jackpots. ;o) > > > after closer inspection, i need to somewhat retract the statement > > that the ancients had nothing on us "moderns". there were some > > unusual and unexpected things in the imbert. things i've never > > realized from the drawings and the reports. nothing game changing, > > but some of the details and integrations between internal reactor > > components was more mature than we've realized. i'm going to need to > > write this up in a series of reports, going component by component. > > in the interim, here's a portrait of the researcher at work . . . > > > > http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages > > > > also, there turned out to be another vehicle with an imbert gasifier > > ..what year are these 2 gasifiers, or rather, > when where they last serviced or modified? > > > in the vehicle part of the museum. this one was a ford truck with > > behind cab unit. same basic architecture and components, but some > > significant differences in execution. > > > > i didn't get to spelunk the ford gasifier. i only got to dig through > > the one on the adler. but fortunately i got to dig all i wanted. > > the musuem staff was excited that someone actually cared about this. > > the docents wanted to learn lots of details of why and how, as they > > gives tours of this machine regularly. > > > > reports will start soon. > > > > jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Mark Ludlow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Thanks, Rolf! > > > > > > Very useful insight and perspective. Things are often much more > > > than they seem. (Every picture tells a story!) > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > > Rolf Uhle > > > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 11:19 AM > > > To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification > > > Subject: Re: [Gasification] No time for beer in Munich- there's a > > > real live imbert gasifier here > > > > > > Hallo Jim, > > > nice to know you enjoyed the GM just like I did both times I > > > visited it - must > > > be 30 + years ago. > > > The beer is good, too, but we also had good stuff at Zellingen. > > > > > > "just basic steel and surprisingly mediocore welding. it was funny > > > to see so many of the same problems and needs solved on the imbert > > > in the same hack manner many of us still do with a welder and a > > > hammer. i saw little lost knowledge to rediscover. i saw lots of > > > expedience, simplicity, and band aids." > > > > > > |||Those were hard times, self earned of course. People I talked to > > > who had lived that time told me everything good was reserved for > > > military production, > > > civil items were welded together by any means, gas mostly or with > > > crap electrodes and by those workers ( very often unskilled women > > > and compulsary labour) the war could spare. > > > And god knows how often they fixed broken weldings after a unlit > > > night drive > > > > > > over badly worn roads full of potholes. My parents told me amazing > > > stories about improvising and survival. > > > Plain sheet steel was everything they had, anything noble went into > > > weapons. > > > With the same effort in civil achievements, Hitler would have won > > > any war without fighting one... > > > > > > If you ever have a chance to see the Verkehrsmuseum Luzern (CH) , > > > go. It is smaller than the DM but really woth your while. > > > > > > I went to the Valladolid Biomass Energy Show and showed some > > > pictures of the > > > > > > PP around. Great response! > > > We would have triumphed ! > > > Next year perhaps... > > > Rolf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Donnerstag, 28. Oktober 2010 03:43:25 schrieb jim mason: > > > > just basic steel and surprisingly mediocore welding. it was funny > > > > to see so many of the same problems and needs solved on the > > > > imbert in the same hack manner many of us still do with a welder > > > > and a hammer. i saw little lost knowledge to rediscover. i saw > > > > lots of expedience, simplicity, and band aids. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gasification mailing list > > > > > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > > > [email protected] > > > > > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > > > > > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg > > > ylists.org< > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg%0Aylists.org > > > > > > > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > > > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gasification mailing list > > > > > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > > > [email protected] > > > > > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > > > > > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > > > > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > > > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) > ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... > Scenarios always come in sets of three: > best case, worst case, and just in case. > > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Mason Website: http://www.whatiamupto.com Current Projects: - Gasifier Experimenters Kit (the GEK): http://www.gekgasifier.com - Escape from Berkeley alt fuels vehicle race: www.escapefromberkeley.com - ALL Power Labs on Twitter: http://twitter.com/allpowerlabs - Shipyard Announce list: http://lists.spaceship.com/listinfo.cgi/icp-spaceship.com
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