Hi Tom and Colleagues,

Tom as you are clearly the authority on what you say:

Simple thermodynamics predicts and practice shows that both power and 
efficiency increase linearly with CR.  Since producer gas has an octane over 
180, various groups have been "souping up " gas engines, using CR in excess of 
18/1.  Little old producer gas has grown up.

I would be pleased to have explained from anyone with producer analysis gas 
experience, how you can say that all producer gas is over 180 octane, or 
possibly "can" be over 180? It would be difficult to convince the engine 
expertise on whom I rely, to accept that all producer gas has the same degree 
of anti-knock, given not all gasifiers are equal. Based on 135 btu/ft3, the 
Caltex Oil Co. guy who advised us regarding octane rating, "suggested" we stick 
to 120 as the maximum, being a realistic figure. I think it important to 
clarify how variations of producer gas octane can eventuate.

This then leads to a second question, which personally creates a black hole in 
how I have been forced to accept the reality, of working with high compressions 
in diesels operating on dual fuel/producer gas. How can then, the spontaneous 
ignition temperature be increased more than the "about" 600C found at 16:1 
ratios, given that we also must consider the operating temperatures?  I can 
appreciate that you can tweak any engine performance in a fixed load/conditions 
situation, but I doubt if combustion stability at over 17:1 could be assured if 
the load/conditions fluctuate as for variable power generation.

In the Lister (NZ) workshops, we did many controlled trials with their larger 
engines (16:1), but one sticks out, because it frightened us all when it 
happened. We had finished a long full load test without the air filter fitted, 
and when we dropped the load from the hot engine, I put the air filter back on, 
which immediately began to wind the rpm up well over the 1,500 of the diesel 
governor setting. It was a run-away situation on auto ignition, because locking 
out the diesel had no effect. It was fixed by pulling off the flexible gas 
connection. Clearly change of the gas/air mix affects this spontaneous ignition 
temperature, and there would seem to be little value of working with ratios 
over 16:1 unless it can be proved the economics or emissions can be seriously 
advantaged. It does come down to $$$ in the end(:-)

Not sure if I can locate some of the peak pressure charts from that time, but 
certainly Prof.John Stevenson of Auckland University's Mechanical Engineering 
was involved, and used them in a Paper he presented on how he thought dual 
fuelled diesels should be controlled.

Enlightenment anyone please?

Doug Williams.
Fluidyne.







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