All,
Valve timing gains are  most realised with high rpm engines.  to make the 
discussion short and sweet,  great gains in volumetric effieciency can be 
reachieved for a naturally aspirated engine with proper valve timing"overlap" 
at specific target rpms. If set up properly the exhaust valve remains open well 
after the intake valve begins opening while passing tdc.  this will allow some 
pre filling of intake air before the piston even starts going down, as the 
inertia of the exiting exhaust gas leaves a "hollow" or a momentary low 
pressure behind its exit.  to realise the hollows energy the intake valve is 
opened premature, thus overlap.  
the number of degrees overlap, the shape of the cam ramps, and which side of 
tdc the center of overlap is, and how far are all factors that affect  the end 
result.  
 this is a narrow window to reuse some of the engines inherently lost energy of 
chugging along, but if you get it right, your dyno resuslts will show the 
increased volumetric efficiency with power gains in a select band of rpms.
the down side of the overlap is that to really realise this feature the engine 
will not enjoy low rpms whatsoever, and will Idle like a disturbed bowl of 
jellow if at all.  boosted intake engines will see gains from this as well just 
less pronounced.
Luke
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Ludlow 
  To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' 
  Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Gasification] Benefits of boosting compression ratiowith 
producer gas


  Geoff,

  Of course you are right, but compression ratio is an artifact of geometry 
alone, whereas actual compression is affected by piston blow-by, valve/seat 
condition and intake valve open duration, since the intake valve cannot close 
precisely (suddenly) at the bottom of the intake stroke. An intake valve can 
remain partially open for, say, 60-degrees past bottom dead-center (BDC). This 
has some effect on the volumetric efficiency, and consequently the pressure in 
the engine at TDC (ignoring the fact that combustion ignition precedes TDC). So 
compression ratio is not exactly proportional to actual combustion chamber 
pressures at TDC.

   

  The effect of higher absolute manifold pressures on the amount of mass to be 
combusted can be estimated by the Ideal Gas Law, pV=nRT. I say estimated, 
because it is impossible to assume adiabatic compression. But observe that the 
equation is linear in all variables. This was implied earlier by Daniel 
Chisholm’s excellent Rule of Thumb. Go to Wikipedia for a good explanation of 
the Ideal Gas Law.

  Best, Mark

   

  From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GF
  Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:14 PM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: [Gasification] Benefits of boosting compression ratio with 
producer gas

   

  Mark ,

  Now you have me confused on this subject. I thought the compression ratio of 
an ICE, was decided by the BDC cylinder volume divided by the TDC cylinder 
volume. The rate at which a gas mixture is induced into this swept volume per 
cycle is dependant upon the inlet pressure. So raising  this pressure will 
raise the amount of  gas mixture entering the engine per cycle?

  The effect of compressing a larger quantity of gas in this defined space  
raises the temperature adiabatically to a point where "compression Ignition" 
will occur if an explosive gas mixture is being compressed?

  I have always pondered on the idea of reducing the amount of nitrogen in the 
mixture to raise the output of the ICE. What about laughing gas?

   

  GF


   

   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Mark E Ludlow <[email protected]>
  To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' 
<[email protected]>
  Sent: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 7:45 pm
  Subject: Re: [Gasification] Benefits of boosting compression ratio with 
producer gas

  Hi Toby,

  There is no difference, really, between pressure and vacuum. If we just start 
to think of anything that has no pressure at all as Zero Pressure; normal 
Atmospheric Pressure as 14.69 PSIA (PSI absolute) and so forth, then we  won’t 
get into trouble. Pump sizing always considers the Absolute Pressure (e.g. 
PSIA) at the inlet and outlet, not the Gauge pressure (e.g. PSIG). A third 
concept is Differential Pressure (e.g. PSID). A pump increases the pressure 
(measured across the Inlet and Discharge Ports) as a differential pressure 
gain, more-or-less irrespective of the Absolute Pressure environment that it 
operates in.

  There is really no such thing as “Vacuum” conveying. This only refers to the 
fact the transport network operates at or below the ambient pressure and is 
operated this way to help reduce fugitive losses of transported materials. A 
vacuum cannot move anything; it is the force of pressurized gas behind the 
transported material that provides the propulsive energy. In the case of a 
conveying system connected to a positive-displacement “vacuum” blower, the 
force is a maximum of 14.69 PSI, enough to “lift” a water column 33.9 feet, 
hardly any stretch at all for a pump, though the work done will be the same 
regardless of the method used.

  When someone says: “Gravity doesn’t exist; the world sucks!”, this is a very 
special case of the above that awaits the practical manipulation of 
anti-gravity.

  Best, Mark

   

  From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Toby Seiler
  Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 3:42 PM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: [Gasification] Benefits of boosting compression ratio with producer 
gas

   

        Sorry Tom, I didn't ask the question correctly (or I may be off in left 
field).  This comes from some time spent in a place called Flow Dynamics 
Laboratory where inlet design of blowers was being tested.  My application was 
sawdust material moving.  Dan, the owner, explained how pressure was much more 
effective than vacuum for moving mass.  He explained that drag in a vacuum is 
hard to overcome, while pressure fills the space with molecules and can push 
materials great distances.  

         

        When talking engines, for example on my 74 Ford f600, I watch the 
vacuum gage and see that it is around 18-22" of vacuum, warmed up 1200 rpm or 
so (driving hydraulic pump).  So what goes to the cylinders is not atmospheric 
pressure, it is around half, perhaps less.  

         

        I'm trying to understand how engine efficiency is related to both air 
and gas pressure and density.  If producer gas is operating with 18/1 in a 
normally aspirated engine, due to high octane, how will the ratio be affected 
if one has positive pressure at one or two pounds?  

         

        Seemingly this would involve air flow across an orifice, similar to a 
butterfly valve (throttle), but I am at a loss for a good start point.  

         

        Given a large quantity of air and gas to make comparable power (not 
large derated), the flow of air/gas in a large displacement engine would seem 
to be a much more critical factor than just saying the cylinder is seeing 
atmosphere pressure and forgetting the drag that manifolds, throttle valves and 
pulling gas from a gasifier creates (in a suction system).  I can hardly see a 
direct linear relationship. 

         

        My work is a low pressure system, so this is not an academic or 
theoretical discussion that I will never act on and I'm at a point of 
determining engine for a CHP and what internal modifications to plan, if any.   
I have several engines, a 345 International, a 460 Ford, a Cumins 5.7 (with 
needed repair), a 7.3 International (in a ford truck also needing repair).  

         

        Sorry if this is confusing or not cogent.  I'm trying.

         

        Toby

        seilertechco 

         

         

         

         
       

   

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