Hi Philip mansk
good experiments
very good results
very good start
the immobolised cells in the fiber can have more life time than pure
submerged systems.
Biofilm reactor are good one , recirculating syngas and acids
The next step can be to build bioreactor
your truely
Pannirselvam
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:11 PM, phillip manske <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Anand,
>
> My results and methods are crude but it looks like I'm on the right
> track. I like the syngas - methane route mentioned above but the
> process requires some sophisticated and expensive reactors. Its worth
> looking at manure to house all of it. There is not much in the
> literature that says man made reactors are more efficient for this
> process.
>
> I used 32 ounce bottles and filled to bottles with semi solid manure
> and I had to top off with tap water to make anoxic conditions. To that
> I added about one ounce of CO2 water, or acetate or a mixture of both.
> The mixture bottle did not do well on the first round and the acetate
> alone bottle became toxic and killed all of the methane producing
> bacteria. The papers say use much less. i used water with O2 in it,
> thus poisoning the reaction. Thats a good kind of mistake.
>
> If acetate is the precursor to methane then CO, taken from syngas, is
> the precursor to acetate and that test comes next or at least soon.
> It would be great progress if it worked.
>
> Phllip
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Anand Karve <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Dear Philip,
> > vinegar (acetic acid) is precursor of methane. CH3COOH=CH4+CO2. So it
> > but natural that the mixture which contained vinegar produced more
> > biogas than the control.
> > Yours
> > A.D.Karve
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:47 AM, phillip manske <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> In an effort to construct the syngas - methanation route, I formed a
> >> thesis that manure, being as perfect as a methane microbe reactor can
> >> that nature can build , can be reanimated and managed to produce more
> >> biogas once the naturally occurring reactants are exhausted.
> >>
> >> I put four bottles of manure in a thermophile water bath. One bottle
> >> was kept as a control and the had CO2 water, white vinegar and a
> >> mixture thereof. These configurations produced different results. The
> >> acetate sterilized the methanogens, the CO2 water addition produced
> >> feeble biogas and the mixture also produced less than the control
> >> bottle. The bottles were left for three weeks to ferment. After
> >> that, they were left at room temperature for a week and then reheated
> >> in the water bath. The mixture bottle produced vigorously, perhaps at
> >> several times the usual production rate. I can't if the gas is
> >> CO2, biogas or CH4 but if its biogas, the finding is significant.
> >>
> >> P.
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