Hi Mark , Tom and all Your right Mark 150 deaths that may or may not be caused cell phones is not a problem for the oil companies. If you look at the billions of gallons of gasoline sold in that time period and take a wild guess at the stats it could be in the neighborhood of .0000001% . Not a problem. But if it's you or your wife and kids in that small insignificant % than its a huge problem. Just saying. Henri Any statisticians want weigh in ?
Sent from my iPhone On 2012-03-18, at 9:43 PM, "Mark Ludlow" <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Tom, > > Most times it's relatively difficult just to keep the optimized gas/air > mixture igniting in the combustion chambers of our automobiles! This, with > fat, healthy sparks! > > If this were really an issue for the petroleum companies (It's not!) they > would not be such rabid advocates of self-service gas! > > Best, Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Reed [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:34 PM > To: [email protected]; Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification > Subject: Re: [Gasification] Fwd: For Your Safety from Shell Oil Company - > THIS IS NOT A JOKE! Clash of technologies. > > Dear Mark > > I only passed on the warning from Shell Oil. I have had no experience > myself with cell phones igniting a combustible vapor, but I don't think it > is impossible. What is your basis for thinking so? > > Tom Reed > > Thomas B Reed > > > On Mar 18, 2012, at 10:30 AM, "Mark Ludlow" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> No one has managed to make a cell phone ignite gasoline vapors. this >> is Internet Urban Myth BS! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Robert Kana >> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:57 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Fwd: For Your Safety from Shell Oil >> Company - THIS IS NOT A JOKE! Clash of technologies. >> >> Dear Dr. Reed, >> Thanks for the advice, we all know cell phones generate some kind of >> magnetic power, when it is connecting. I believe there is a >> connection, but gasoline fumes will not ignite unless there is a source of > heat or spark. >> Most of the US is now covered with Stage 2 vapor recovery system, >> which consist of double pipes, one for fuel going in to the tank >> another one fumes going back to storage tanks. All the gasoline trucks >> are grounded with special wires at the fueling terminals, as well as >> grounded in the gas station delivery points with the metal piping > connectors. >> Over 30 years of gas station operator, contractor and installing >> underground storage tanks in NY, I had 2 experiences with fires. >> Actually one fire and one explosion. They both involved with the fumes. >> First incident in one of my gas stations, there was a spill in hot >> summer, over fill gasoline spilled on the floor. The next car come to >> get gas, stopped right on the spill and it caught a fire from the hot >> muffler. We put out the fire immediately, but instructed all the gas >> stations to keep a bucket full of water to wash any spill and cool the >> vapors of gasoline. On second incident, one of my mechanic friend was >> fixing a gas tank and he wanted to look inside the tank with a hand >> lamp. The heat source from the lamp cause explosion of the fumes in >> the tanks, my friend survived the accident. >> I just want to add couple more pre cautions. Most of us fill the gas >> at self service. >> When the nozzle clicks, come to closest number and do not overfill. >> If there is a spill no matter how small just put on some water, most >> of the gas stations has water for cleaning windshields. >> When you pull in the gas station, make sure the ground is clean. >> And always remember, the fumes from the gasoline is extremely flammable. >> Regards, >> Robert >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gasification mailing list >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> [email protected] >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bi >> oenerg >> ylists.org >> >> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gasification mailing list >> >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >> [email protected] >> >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bi >> oenergylists.org >> >> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: >> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ _______________________________________________ Gasification mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/
