Too little and much too late.
They should have gone after that corrupt piece of you-know-what over a decade
ago. They didn't want to, because he had the media eating out of his hand. It
was always obvious that the NCAA considered certain coaches untouchable.
I wonder if Bowden ever repeated to the NCAA what Michael Corleone said to the
Senator from Nevada, "we're all part of the same hypocrisy."
Go Gators!!!!
Ken B. (NYC Gator)
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Buck Shot" <bucksho...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:35:35
To: <Gatortalk@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: F$U's Outcome is EVEN MORE imminently imminent now,
right Jay.....
FW: [gatortalk] Re: F$U's Outcome is EVEN MORE imminently imminent now, right
Jay.....I have to weigh in on this, because it is absolutely disgusting. The
NCAA has essentially given FSU a free pass and get out of jail free card.
First of all 26 of the 61 total atheletes caught cheating were football
players. That is nearly one third of the entire team. The NCAA said that
there was no lack of instutitional control. Give me a break, a third of the
football team is cheating and all in the same class. Think about this. Just
perhaps they were all steered toward this course to get them eligible. This
was going on for at least two years. Now with all due respect to Jerry, who
obviously has a kind and gentle heart, the forfeitfure of a few games is no big
deal, because realize that when they determine which games to forfeit, FSU was
losing an average of 5 -6 games a season, so there won't be many games to
forfeit. Also he mentioned the devasting loss of the two NCAA Track
championships, that is so insignificant. Probably 95% of fans did not even
realize that they had won them in the first place. How many of you on this
list knew and were aware of those two major titles? FSU should have to face
major scholarship reductions, not the reversal of 3 - 5 games. I guess that
too many of you are to young to remember how bad we were hammered by the NCAA.
They reduced us to a total of 85 scholarships. The big problem was that in the
80's each school could have 95 on scholarship. We had to play an SEC schedule
with a total loss of 30 scholarships, stripped of an SEC championship and no
bowl games for 2 years, and 90 of the 105 "allegations" against us were for
giving gym bags and T-Shirts to recruits. We didn't have any charges of
academic malfeasance and the most serious charges were a couple of boosters
getting out of line and spying on other teams practices two times. They
penalized us 30 scholarships over 3 years and FSU only 6 scholarships over 3
years, and they are counting this year as one of them because FSU signed enough
players to get them to 83 on scholarship. Folks they only have 2 more years to
deal with this "3" year penalty.
AAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rant
over. :-P
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Oliver Barry
To: Gatortalk
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:57 PM
Subject: FW: [gatortalk] Re: F$U's Outcome is EVEN MORE imminently imminent
now, right Jay.....
And I say more punishment just because it's the semis and they deserve it for
being ugly!
Think about it... Would you wear a shirt that looked like that?
Oliver
-----Original Message-----
From: <ke...@baldwinnc.com>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:34 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com <Gatortalk@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: F$U's Outcome is EVEN MORE imminently imminent now,
right Jay.....
This is funny. This looks like a big deal. The FSU offical announcement
makes it look like no big deal.
I say more punishment is necessary because FSU does not think this is a big
deal :-)
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: F$U's Outcome is EVEN MORE imminently
imminent
now, right Jay.....
From: "Dr. Caffeine " <thecoffeelo...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, March 06, 2009 4:16 pm
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
They is vacation penalty. Here is from official announcement.
The penalties in this case are as follows:
. Public reprimand and censure.
. Four years of probation (March 6, 2009, to March 5, 2013).
. Scholarship reductions in football; men's and women's
basketball; men's and women's swimming; men's and women's track and field;
baseball; softball; and men's golf. Additional details are available in the
public report.
. Vacation of all wins in which the 61 student-athletes in
the sports of football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's
swimming, men's and women's track, men's golf, baseball and softball competed
while ineligible during 2006 and 2007. This includes regular season contests,
postseason contests and any NCAA championship competition. The individual
records of the student-athletes shall be vacated as well. Further, the
institution's records regarding all of the involved sports, as well as the
records of the head coaches of those sports will reflect the vacated records
and will be recorded in all publications in which these records are reported,
including, but not limited to, institution media guides, recruiting material,
electronic and digital media plus institution and NCAA archives. Any public
reference to tournament performances won during this time shall be removed,
including, but not limited to, athletics department stationery and banners
displayed in public areas such as the venues in which the specified teams
compete.
. Five-year show-cause order for the former academic advisor
(March 6, 2009, to March 5, 2014). Additional details are available in the
public report.
. Four-year show-cause order for the former learning
specialist (March 6, 2009, to March 5, 2013). Additional details are available
in the public report.
. Three-year show-cause order for the former tutor (March 6,
2009, to March 5, 2012). Additional details are available in the public report.
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Steve McKibben <augiega...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
According to the Times, the NCAA's report, which this
afternoon will be released to the public, says, "Had no vacation penalty been
imposed, the scholarship limitations would have been more stringent."
This makes no sense to me. The only one hurt in this is
Bowden, who may be forced to concede the all time wins record to Joe Paterno
now.
Were the athletes, academic advisors, or administrators that
were tasked to oversee the athletic department punished? Not so much.
Recruiting is the lifeblood of a college football program. If
the NCAA had wanted to make FSU feel the sting for it's cheating, to make them
really regret their actions, and to send a message to any other programs that
might be tempted to use the same shortcuts, they would have imposed scholarship
reductions (such as the ones UF endured in the mid 80s) that would have hurt
the program's ability to be competitive for a number of years to come.
Considering that FSU was in a sticky situation of its own
doing by having the clock ticking on a payout to coach in waiting Jimbo Fisher
if he wasn't named the head coach by 2011, while at the same time being in the
awkward position of not wanting to fire the man who made their program, the
NCAA may have done them a favor.
Having some of his ill gotten victories taken away may
convince Bowden to give up his stubborn pursuit of the all time victories
crown, and if he steps down (after the obligatory farewell tour in 2009) FSU
will not only not have to pay the lump sum to Fisher, the program will finally
be able to begin the post-Bowden era and get the breath of fresh air that it
certainly needs to be a player on the national stage again.
Color me disappointed that the NCAA once again proved to be a
paper tiger.
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