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From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 4:10 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] Sentinel exclusive: Florida Gators fast on the field and in their cars I have noticed that we are not preparing our children to deal with administrative detail. You know: - working the inbox promptly, if not daily - setting up a date-based tickler file for due date items - taking all governmental communications seriously Etc. A. Leon Polhill, Gator "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain ________________________________ From: Randy Platt <pcga...@tampabay.rr.com> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 3:25:02 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] Sentinel exclusive: Florida Gators fast on the field and in their cars Having a 23 year old daughter who has had more than one ticket, which she neglected to take care of, resulting in several arrests on driving with a suspended license charge, I found the article interesting and enlightening. For the record while my daughter is not a bad person, tending to the tedious requirements and paperwork needed to coordinate various traffic courts, Duval, Orange, Hillsborough, with the judicial system is not her strong suit. Randy Platt aka "PCGator" aka "The Armchair Quarterback" aka "The Other Randy" Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kirkley Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:54 AM To: gatort...@googlegroups..com Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] Sentinel exclusive: Florida Gators fast on the field and in their cars Why do people go looking for stories like this? It is really meaningless without comparative data from a>other schools; b> other groups of students at UF or c> any other scientific measurement. Rather, they compare it to college aged males in the country (not drivers, all males), to all males in Alachua County between 18 and 24, and to an estimate by UPD on the average number of citations the average UF student receives. Heck, I received 3 tickets in Gainesville, so I was 3 times more likely than the average student I guess. This is just ridiculous and is a pathetic attempt by a local paper to try and make a name for themselves by bringing down the big guy. What I really want to know is what is the average number of tickets by Sentinel sportswriters? Or better yet, what is the average number of free meals they eat at UF's expense so they can provide us with this compelling coverage? Ken MNGator Happy Holidays! ________________________________ From: gatorn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatorn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Badrish Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:41 AM To: gatorn...@googlegroups..com Subject: [gatornews] Sentinel exclusive: Florida Gators fast on the field and in their cars Sentinel exclusive: Florida Gators fast on the field and in their cars 12 different Gators have 7 or more tickets; 251 citations team-wide By Jeremy Fowler, ORLANDO SENTINEL December 22, 2009 GAINESVILLE - Before a loss to Alabama on Dec. 5, the Florida Gators <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/sports/football/florida-gators-ORS PT000172.topic> were racing to a national title. Literally. Florida has had well-publicized arrests in recent months stemming from traffic charges - including Carlos Dunlap's DUI charge on Dec. 1 -- but those incidents comprise a small fraction of a team-wide 251 traffic citations in Alachua County, according to Orlando Sentinel research. These charges range from speeding tickets to numerous cases of driving with a suspended or revoked license, typically a second-degree misdemeanor or, for repeat offenders, a felony. The data was compiled in late November and early December through Alachua County court records, accounting for 96 Gators who either entered fall camp on scholarship or served in the "game participation" portion of this season's boxscores. Charges stem from 2006-09 for football players who usually drive cars or motorized scooters around campus or in Gainesville. Depending on the source, some in the legal world consider any traffic misdemeanor or felony charge a technical arrest. The Gators have 21 such charges, mostly from getting caught with a suspended license. Most charges don't result in jail booking.. Thirty-two of the team's citations were listed as "open" or "undisposed" in the Alachua County system at the time of this search, meaning they are either unpaid or unresolved. Many Gators obey the laws of the road. Thirty-two players - yes, including Tim Tebow <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/sports/football/tim-tebow-PESPT008 528.topic> - never have received a documented traffic ticket in Alachua County.. Eleven of the 32 are from the 2009 signing class and have been on campus less than a year. But 12 different Gators have seven or more tickets, including team leader Jermaine Cunningham, an All-Southeastern Conference defensive end who has almost as many career tickets (14) as sacks (18). The list includes cornerback Markihe Anderson (11), offensive lineman Marcus Gilbert (11), offensive lineman Corey Hobbs (11), safety Dorian Munroe (11), defensive back Miguel Carodine (11), linebacker Dustin Doe (9), offensive lineman Maurkice Pouncey (7), All-American linebacker Brandon Spikes (7) and three starting defensive linemen -- Lawrence Marsh (7), Terron Sanders (7) and Jaye Howard (7). Two players, Carodine and freshman quarterback Jordan Reed, have received a criminal charge for driving while never owning a license. Dunlap, who fell asleep at the wheel at a Gainesville intersection four days before the Southeastern Conference Championship Game, has the only DUI charge among the Gators. The cases of Cunningham, who avoided arrest, and Doe, who was arrested in July for driving excessively with a suspended license, resemble a common tale State Attorney Bill Cervone knows too well. Someone accumulates too many tickets, possibly doesn't pay them and eventually gets assessed an "unknowingly" driving with a suspended license charge. That charge classifies as a routine criminal or civil traffic citation - pay and go on your way - but the second time around would elevate to a "knowingly" driving without a valid license. Cunningham caught the suspended license charge in Jan.. 28, 2008, and the case has been resolved along with all his previous citations. Doe has only nine total tickets, but four of them are criminal charges and three are still classified as "open" until he fulfills stipulations such as community service stemming from his summer arrest. Carodine was arrested in April 2009 for a felony charge of habitual driving with a suspended license, according to jail records. Former Gators defensive tackle Torrey Davis was arrested for similar charges shortly after leaving the team in March. A license can be suspended after failure to pay tickets or accumulating too many driving points during a certain time period. Florida isn't the only football program with this problem. Three University of Georgia <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/education/colleges-universities/un iversity-of-georgia-OREDU0000189.topic> players were arrested for traffic-related charges during the 2009 season. "The irresponsibility can catch up to you," Cervone said. "Somebody like Doe is far more likely to get caught repeatedly. He's so visible, he's driving in a small, little location and UPD (University Police Department) knows who Doe is -- not just because they are athletes, but they're issued tickets while driving the same roads every day to the same cops." The number of tickets per college student is not an exact science, but research indicates UF football players get pulled over at least twice the average amount for college-aged males in the county. UF players average 2.61 tickets per player, ranging from freshman to fifth-year senior. If the 16-member 2009 signing class is removed from the data, the Gators average three tickets per player. Alachua County has issued approximately 13,350 criminal or routine traffic tickets to 18-to-24-year-old males from Jan. 1 to Dec. 1 of 2009, according to the county's clerk of the court. The state's Office of Economic and Demographic Research says there are 28,144 males in Alachua County between the age of 18 to 24, which averages out to 0.474 traffic tickets per person for 2009 - or 1.29 tickets per 2.5 years, the approximate length of time a current UF football player has been part of the team. The generally poor driving habits of college-aged males are unavoidable. In 2009, Alachua County has issued 19 percent of its 70,391 total traffic tickets to 18-to-24-year-old males. Jeff Holcomb, public information officer for University Police Department, estimates UF students average one or fewer traffic tickets per college career. Most Gainesville-area tickets are issued by UPD, the Gainesville Police Department or the Alachua County Sherriff's Office. The courthouse does not regularly track the number of Alachua County drivers with seven or more tickets. The Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles, Insurance Information Institute, International Association of Chiefs of Police, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/travel/transportation/national-hig hway-traffic-safety-administration-ORGOV0000165.topic> and State Farm Insurance <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/economy-business-finance/financial -business-services/insurance/state-farm-insurance-ORCRP017338.topic> 's regional office in Winter Haven were contacted for this story. Sources for this story are torn whether Florida football players are targeted by police more than the average student. Holcomb and GPD spokesman Keith Kameg said every case is handled fairly. "Our officers will pull students over not knowing who they are," Holcomb said. "It's more about the infraction than the target." Gainesville-based attorney Huntley Johnson, who represents most Gators athletes in legal matters, said GPD or UPD have been "over the top" with athletes in certain cases. Johnson recalls a criminal traffic case with wide receiver Riley Cooper, who was charged in February with resisting an officer. Johnson said Cooper was not disrespectful to police when cited. "Is there some jealousy on the part of police officers? Absolutely," Johnson said. "Does it overflow into the way they treat their athletes? I think it's something that can't be avoided. It would be against human nature for that not to happen." Coach Urban Meyer <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/sports/football/urban-meyer-PESPT0 08535.topic> was not available for interviews for this story after a Sentinel request, but UF issued a statement on behalf of the team. Meyer's program caught heat over the summer for a reported 24 arrests in his four-plus seasons. "This is an issue that has been discussed with the team," spokesman Steve McClain said. "The coaching staff continues to educate our players to do the right thing at all times." Football players are visible targets, especially when 300-pounders ride motorized scooters around campus. Many players have scooters because of convenience and easy parking on a crowded campus. Clint McMillan, a former UF defensive tackle from 2003-07, said players often use scholarship money to purchase one at a discounted rate from a player on his way out.. Though some players drive without caution at times, McMillan said, money's the biggest reason why their licenses become suspended. "When guys rack up $800 or $900 bills, that's when it's a problem," McMillan said. "Not everybody can pay that. You'd be surprised how much those tickets cost. Some are cheap, but some get into the hundreds. And sometimes players have tickets and don't even know how they got one, like if you get cited for two when pulled over once. It can be confusing." Traffic tickets in Alachua County range from $50 to $594, with most charges eclipsing the $100 mark. Some common charges among Florida players include expired registration, driver's license not carried, running a red light, speeding and soundmaking device violation, citations that typically range from $154 to $219. Cervone said athletes are not alone in their traffic frustrations and that criminal cases often enter the system but aren't severe enough to be criminal. "We spend a fair amount of time literally trying to walk these people through the process to get a license straightened out," Cervone said. "I'm not sure that problem will ever be solved." McMillan said he doesn't believe UF has an excessive problem. Until another player gets arrested, that is. "Players could be targets because they are on campus all day," McMillan said. "Usually from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. We have a bigger opportunity to get tickets." Read Jeremy Fowler's blog at OrlandoSentinel.com/swampthings and e-mail him at jfow...@orlandosentinel.com. 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