Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Dooley: Unacceptable outcome

C.Simpson Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:03:54 -0700

If Muschamp were sent packing today and Kurt Roper was named interimthere are a couple of possible positive outcomes. We would get to see ifthe play calling and offense was being micromanaged by Muschamp as haswidely speculated for the last 4 years. The team might rally aroundRoper and win a couple of games.I'll also throw in Doc Holliday from Marshall as a strong candidate. Oneof the top recruiters in the game, great offense, knows the state.Downside is at 57 he might be considered "too old".

Charlie


On 10/20/2014 7:34 PM, Randy Platt wrote:

If the Gators won every game left on their schedule, I doubt Muschampcan save his job. I know it, you know it, Muschamp knows it, andFoley knows it. So it is just a matter of timing. IMHO, there is noreason to fire coach now because I see no advantage to doing so. Ouroffense is putrid because we have had 3 OC and 3 O-line coaches infour years and 4 WR coaches (2 elevated GA's) in 4 years. No wonderour quarterbacks can't read defenses, our line can't block, and ourreceivers can't catch. I fully acknowledge Muschamp is responsiblefor this and will pay with his job soon enough. But this offense isso bad, I cannot see a single thing including firing Muschamp thatcould help it. While I have accepted our fate for this year I ammaking my list of potential candidates as I am sure Foley has done oris doing.


So here is who I have come up with so far:

The Splash hires:

1) Jim Harbaugh

2) Jon Gruden

The Former Gators;

1) Joe Wickline

2) Kerwin Bell

3) Brian Schottenhiemer

The Retreads;

1) Bob Stoops

2) Steve Spurrier

Other Coaches;

1) Dan Mullen

2) Sumerlin (TXAM)

3) The guy at Michigan St (Donatello or something like that)

4) Rich Rodriquez

Okay I picked all the easy ones but I am sure there are others. Eitherway I figure Foley is going to go with a big name splash coach or doeshe go back to the young up and coming coach. Do you go long term orshort term, I know this, I am glad I don't have to make the call. Iwonder if Foley will check with the bull gators this time around.


JAFO

Randy Platt

aka "PCGator"

aka "The Armchair Quarterback"

aka "The Other Randy"

Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest!

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If Foley doesn't fire him now he must hold out hope he won't have tofire him at all.

Charlie


On 10/19/2014 8:29 PM, Sandy Alonso wrote:

    I was under the impression UF's new president doesn't come on
    board until January.  I don't think the program can wait until then.

    On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Darlene Goodfellow
    <goodfell...@earthlink.net <mailto:goodfell...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

    One possible reason for the delay I’ve read in another forum is
    they may need the new president to come on board to approve buy
    outs and budget for new coaches. It’s also possible there is
    something in his contract that reduces the buyout if we have a
    losing season. Still, it’s getting so bad now I think they really
    need to act sooner rather than later.

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    I think this is the perfect time to fire him midseason.  You have
    a bye week.  You have an offensive coordinator who WAS an upcoming
    and a head coach prospect.  Lose Muschamp, slap an interim head
    coach title on Roper, which effectively removes the handcuffs he

has right now with Muschamp, and let Roper show what he can do.If he truly has no weapons and our QB and receivers truly are this

    bad, then it is all on Muschamp and his recruiting. However, Roper
    said this group could be effective, so why aren't they???  Let him
    prove it.

    This offense is NOTHING like what Duke ran... Giving Roper the
    helm for the remainder of the season is his tryout.  Can his
    offense, without Muschamp's influence, work?  If it does, keep
    him.  If not, we start anew with a coaching staff.

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    'What must be done eventually, should be done immediately.' Back
    in 2004, if Foley had just said 'it's time to pull the plug on
    this one,' then our anticipation now might not be so high, but he
    is the one who declared this a fundamental principle of his
    management style. It also makes sense, and so that creates
    expectations on the part of fans. Is there anyone left who thinks
    that Muschamp must not be fired sometime this year? If you're
    going to do it eventually, just go ahead and get it done so that
    everyone else can move forward. I hate that it has come to this,
    but it has.

    Rob

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    On Oct 19, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Darlene Goodfellow
    <goodfell...@earthlink.net <mailto:goodfell...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

    I know Dooley is just the sports editor at the hometown paper and
    NOT an official spokesperson for the athletic department, but
    telling fans to “simmer down” right now is not going over well,
    not at all. And there’s no reason to wait any longer, per 2004
    Jeremy Foley. This is another big mistake, IMO.

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    @pat_dooley: Try to enjoy the bye week. There will be no news next
    two weeks coming out of the UAA. So you can simmer down. For now.

    Woody (via iPhone)


    On Oct 19, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jerry D. Belloit
    <bell...@clarion.edu <mailto:bell...@clarion.edu>> wrote:

        I wish Dooley would tell us how he really feels!

        "The smell of this performance is something the Gator fans in
        attendance won't be able to get out of their clothes for
        awhile. It was a rotten milk and burnt hair poured into a used
        diaper and left in the sun for a month.”

        Jerry

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          Dooley: Unacceptable outcome

        Florida Gators head coach Will Muschamp on the sideline
        against the Missouri Tigers during the first half at Ben Hill
        Griffin Stadium on Saturday, Oct. 18, 2014 in Gainesville,
        Fla. (Matt Stamey/Staff photographer)

        /The Gainesville Sun/

        *By Pat Dooley <http://www.gatorsports.com/personalia/patdooley>
        Gainesville Sun sports columnist*


                  /Published: Saturday, October 18, 2014 at 6:01 a.m./


                  /Last Modified: Sunday, October 19, 2014 at 12:17 a.m./

        Before the season, there were a lot of people who thought Will
        Muschamp had to beat his alma mater to save his job.

        But after what we witnessed Saturday night, I'm not sure the
        Georgia game will matter.

        Let's put it this way — after Missouri's 42-13 thrashing of
        Florida, the Georgia Southern game from last year doesn't seem
        so bad.

        The smell of this performance is something the Gator fans in
        attendance won't be able to get out of their clothes for
        awhile. It was a rotten milk and burnt hair poured into a used
        diaper and left in the sun for a month.

        The facts are simple — Florida has lost 10 of its last 13
        games, four out of it's last five SEC home games and has been
        dreadfully dull in doing so. Losing is never fun, but it's
        rare that it is this numbingly miserable.

        Florida has been shut out in the first half of two of its last
        three games. On Saturday night, the Gators were dumpster-fire
        awful in two phases of the game (offense and special teams).

        Florida lost to a team that was shut out at home last week,
        gained 20 yards in the second half Saturday night and had only
        seven first downs on the night. Florida turned it over six
        times to a team that came into the game with zero turnovers
        gained in SEC games.

        Muschamp's insistence on sticking with Jeff Driskel has
        backfired so many times he's covered in gunpowder. Saturday
        night was the worst yet. I'm not saying Treon Harris is the
        answer after leading Florida to a pair of scores after the
        game had been decided.

        I just know Driskel is not the answer and his performance over
        the last four games should eliminate him from consideration at
        the most important position on the team.

        “The offense was just abysmal,” Muschamp said. “We've got to
        narrow it down to things we do well and it's not much. So
        figure it out.”

        Wait. Weren't we told this offense had the most talent
        Muschamp has had at Florida before the season? And that Kurt
        Roper was going to be the answer for an offense that had been
        anemic for three years?

        Here's what Florida is now that it wasn't under Brent Pease
        and Charlie Weis — a turnover machine.

        Muschamp talked after the game about the turnovers, about how
        the blame falls on his shoulders and then proceeded to blame
        his players for their mistakes.

        And there is no question that there has been a lot of
        underachieving by the players on this football team. But
        players are a reflection of their coaches.

        Muschamp can blame Austin Hardin for not booting the opening
        kickoff in the right area of the field, but I recall seeing 10
        players in blue jerseys running down the field and not laying
        a hand on Marcus Murphy.

        He can blame the offensive line and his starting tailback but
        the starting quarterback was involved in four of the six UF
        turnovers.

        Last week's loss could be attributed to bad luck. This was bad
        football.

        I don't know if he can survive what has transpired over the
        last month starting with the debacle in Alabama. There isn't a
        person outside the football building who believes this can be
        turned around. And that means there will be three bad seasons
        in four tries for Muschamp.

        That's unacceptable at Florida. Heck, it's unacceptable at
        South Florida.

        Muschamp said he's not going to worry about things he can't
        control, such as his job security and apparently his
        quarterback's penchant for giving the ball to the other team.
        The chants of “Fire Muschamp!” were loud, the boos were
        plentiful and the stands emptied early.

        The fan base has has enough. The ones who were ready to dump
        Muschamp after last season are screaming “I-told-you-so” with
        the decibel level rivaling that of sticking your head in a jet
        engine. Which would be less painful.

        The ones who have stuck behind him are easing their way out of
        the back door of the room now that Muschamp is only one game
        over .500 in SEC games.

        It's going to be an ugly bye week in the Gator Nation.

        /Contact Pat Dooley at 352-374-5053 <tel:352-374-5053> or at
        dool...@gvillesun.com <mailto:dool...@gvillesun.com>. And
        follow at Twitter.com/Pat_Dooley <http://twitter.com/Pat_Dooley>./


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