I'm hopeful but the recruiting is a concern. Another thing I can't forget when Mullen was here before was the play calling wheel. Charlie.
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 3:35 PM Foley Santamaria <foleysantama...@gmail.com> wrote: > If he did such a great job there, how come he was never mentioned as a > head coaching candidate at any other elite program? > > And his W/L record speaks for itself > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:33 PM Oliver Barry <bar...@realtracs.com> > wrote: > >> He won a heck of a lot more at Mississippi State than any previous coach >> did. >> >> And, he beat Nick Saban at Alabama twice. >> >> And, he developed at least four future NFL quarterbacks. >> >> >> >> Oliver Barry, CRS, GRI >> >> Real Estate Broker >> >> PARKS >> >> 305B Indian Lake Blvd >> >> Suite 220 >> >> Hendersonville TN 37075 >> >> Phone: 615-826-4040 >> >> Mobile: 615-972-4239 >> >> bar...@realtracs.com >> >> >> >> *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Foley Santamaria >> *Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2018 2:24 PM >> *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] Fwd: [gatornews] REQUIRED READING!! A closer >> look at Florida's slow recruiting start, and why it's complicated >> >> >> >> I'm not ready to throw in the towel or anything, but he certainly didn't >> win much at Miss State! >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 10:10 AM Woody <gatorrr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Yes. There are people who are freaking out waaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy too much >> about recruiting and not taking everything into context. Including some >> podcasters. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Oliver Barry <bar...@realtracs.com> >> wrote: >> >> I read this yesterday and it makes sense. Mullen is shifting the offense >> from pro style to spread. So, he needs spread players. That’s why we ended >> up with Emory Jones instead of Matt Corral. >> >> These players who are dumping us for other teams were not on our radar >> before Mullen. >> >> The article goes on to say Mullen needs time, win some games, and prove >> to recruits he can win. >> >> If he could win at Mississippi State he can win anywhere. >> >> >> >> Oliver Barry CRS, GRI >> >> Real Estate Broker >> >> PARKS Real Estate Services >> >> 305 B Indian Lake Blvd >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=305+B+Indian+Lake+Blvd+Suite+220+Hendersonville+TN+37075+Office:+615&entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> Suite 220 >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=305+B+Indian+Lake+Blvd+Suite+220+Hendersonville+TN+37075+Office:+615&entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> Hendersonville TN 37075 >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=305+B+Indian+Lake+Blvd+Suite+220+Hendersonville+TN+37075+Office:+615&entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> Office: 615 >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=305+B+Indian+Lake+Blvd+Suite+220+Hendersonville+TN+37075+Office:+615&entry=gmail&source=g> >> -826-4040 >> >> Mobile: 615-972-4239 >> >> bar...@realtracs.com >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From:* Woody Bass <gatorrr...@gmail.com> >> *Date:* July 13, 2018 at 7:18:16 AM CDT >> *To:* gatorn...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* *[gatornews] REQUIRED READING!! A closer look at Florida's >> slow recruiting start, and why it's complicated* >> *Reply-To:* gatornews+own...@googlegroups.com >> >> This is a must read and you must pass it along to other Gators to read. >> Then close your eyes. Have a drink or 10. Then breathe again. Relaaaxxxx >> >> >> >> https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/florida-football/a-closer-look-at-floridas-slow-recruiting-start-and-why-its-complicated/amp/?__twitter_impression=true >> A closer look at Florida’s slow recruiting start, and why it’s complicated >> >> 22 hours ago >> >> Dan Mullen hasn’t even taken the podium at his first SEC Media Days as >> Florida’s head coach, let alone coached his first game, and already there >> is noise in the system in Gainesville. >> >> Fans and writers alike >> <https://www.readandreaction.com/2018/06/24/recruiting-revisit-is-panic-or-patience-needed-for-the-2019-recruiting-class/> >> are on edge about Florida’s sluggish start to the 2018-2019 recruiting >> cycle, with many already moving past “on edge” and into full-on “panic >> mode.” Rival fans have taken to calling Florida “3-Star U,” with one >> notable podcaster comparing the notoriously poor recruiter Jim McElwain >> favorably to the affable, engaging Mullen. >> >> There were rumblings from as early as the spring, when Florida hosted >> several big names without securing commitments or future official visits. >> The rumblings became louder in late June, when longtime Mullen 4-star DE >> target Nathan Pickering opted to commit to the in-state Mississippi State >> Bulldogs instead of the Gators, despite a lengthy recruiting relationship >> with the Florida coaching staff. >> >> The rumbles turned to roars last week, when a pair of consensus 4-stars >> long considered Florida leans — Jahleel Billingsley (Alabama) and DB Chris >> Steele (USC) — committed elsewhere. The Gators also lost former 4-star WR >> commit John Dunmore, the Hollywood (Fla.) Chaminade product, who committed >> to Penn State. Another 4-star WR, Mycah Pittman, appears set to buck his >> mother’s wishes and pick Oregon over Florida. >> >> There’s no question that’s a tough few weeks for the Gators, who >> currently sit at No. 31 in the 247Sports Composite Team Rankings for 2019 >> (behind Duke!) >> <https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/CompositeTeamRankings>. But >> is it a cause for panic? And what exactly is behind Florida’s slow >> recruiting start? >> >> Fan is short for “fanatic,” and reason and facts aren’t often considered >> when it’s easier to just pile on the panic bandwagon and criticize the new >> Florida coaching staff, who are tasked with rebuilding a program that for >> the second time in less than a decade has a broken culture to go along with >> personnel issues. >> >> But even fanatics aren’t entitled to their own facts, and the facts of >> Florida recruiting are these. >> >> First, it isn’t all doom-and-gloom. >> >> Mullen signed the best transition class in Florida history last fall, >> rescuing a class ranked in the 20s with a host of signing day commitments, >> including coveted 4-star QB Emory Jones, who chose Florida over rival >> Florida State, and 4-star WR Jacob Copeland, who ended years of Gator >> recruiting futility in Pensacola by picking Florida over Alabama. >> >> Mullen’s 2019 class, with 4 top 300 players currently committed, also >> rates comparably, at this point in the cycle (early July), to Gus Malzahn’s >> second class at Auburn (4 top 300 commits), Mark Richt’s second class at >> Miami (4 top 300 commits), and Willie Taggart’s second class at Florida >> State (5 top 300 commits). It is also twice as good, as of July 11, as Jim >> McElwain’s second class was at this point (2 top 300 commits), which seems >> to suggest that at the very least, Mullen isn’t making McElwain look like >> “Bear Bryant on the trail.” And while Mullen’s second class certainly >> behind Urban Meyer’s second class at Florida as of July (10 top 300 >> commits), it isn’t terribly behind Kirby Smart’s pace (6 top 300 commits), >> although it is entirely fair to suggest that Florida needs a quality *Friday >> Night Lights *event this July to bolster the class, stem the negative >> flow of publicity and build momentum for the fall. >> >> Further, while the losses of players like Steele, Pittman and Dunmore >> seem permanent, Pickering and Billingsley are among the players who have >> openly indicated they’ll take recruiting visits, giving Florida at least a >> chance at recouping those losses. And even with Dunmore gone, there are a >> host of analysts projecting 4-star WR Elijah Higgins, a 6-2 221-pound NFL >> prototype, will commit to Florida before the end of the month. >> >> Second, Mullen is also dealing with a host of structural challenges his >> rivals simply don’t face. >> >> To begin with, he inherited a program that has had two 4-win seasons in >> four years, and hasn’t fielded an offense ranked in the top 50 >> nationally since most recruits were in elementary school. >> <http://www.gatorcountry.com/feature/recruiting-analysis-dan-mullens-first-eight-months/> >> The Gators stitched together two 10-win seasons this decade, but did so on >> the shoulders of elite defenses, and even in the seasons when Will Muschamp >> recruited well, Florida’s classes tended to be unbalanced, with a >> high-number of blue chips (4- or 5-stars) on defense, not offense. >> >> "Maybe it’s a longer rebuild, like Clemson. But Dan will get it built, if >> they let him.” >> -- Power 5 assistant coach on Dan Mullen's recruiting ability >> >> Florida’s roster contains 36 blue-chip recruits, only 3 of whom were >> consensus 5-star players. That’s more blue-chips than at SEC East rivals >> South Carolina (23) and Tennessee (34), but it’s well-behind Georgia (61) >> and FSU (56). Much of that is due to unbalanced classes under Muschamp and >> the general aloofness of McElwain, who deferred much of Florida’s >> recruiting process to associate head coach Randy Shannon. But some of it is >> about success on the field too, according to one longtime SEC assistant. >> >> “Kirby inherited a 10-win roster at Georgia, and schematically, they >> didn’t want to reinvent much offensively, which people forget,” the SEC >> assistant told me. “That meant Kirby could go and target certain areas >> where he felt upgrades were critical, notably on the offensive line and on >> the defensive perimeter. But Smart also knew Richt already had a roster >> that was close. It’s why he waited on that job. Dan gets a 4-win culture >> and probably an 8-win roster. Those challenges are almost entirely >> different, and that’s before you discuss scheme.” >> >> Another challenge Florida faces is consistent coaching turnover, which >> impacts recruiting in two ways. >> >> The first is the obvious one. It’s hard to play catchup against other >> staffs when they’ve cultivated longstanding relationships with kids. The >> usual rebuttal to this is that “other staffs in transition manage to do >> it.” But another longtime Power 5 assistant says it’s more complicated than >> that. >> >> “At Florida, you want to recruit against everybody. You go into a living >> room and sell Florida, but you’re doing it in a place where Dabo (Swinney) >> has been, where (Nick) Saban has been, where Kirby Smart is or Clay >> Helton,” the Power 5 assistant told me last week. “That’s fine, but then >> even if you catch up relationship-wise, you’re behind culturally, you >> aren’t winning. So, the most interested kids may make you wait.” >> >> The second challenge of consistent turnover is the more fascinating one, >> and far less talked about. Not all staffs want to recruit the same kids, >> especially when there is dramatic scheme change, which there certainly is >> at Florida as it moves away not just from McElwain’s pro-style offense to >> Mullen’s run-dominant spread, but also from Shannon’s vanilla 4-3 to Todd >> Grantham’s Pittsburgh 3-4. >> >> That poses significant recruiting challenges that are compounded by the >> relationship issue, according to Florida-based national recruiting analyst >> Corey Long, who for over a decade has covered college football and >> recruiting for the New York Times, ESPN and Saturday Down South, among >> other publications. >> >> “Mullen and this coaching staff have a plan and they are going after the >> players they are comfortable with and feel like they fit into the scheme >> and the culture,” Long told me last week. “Maybe they will look to fill >> the ‘top end’ of the class during the season and get some bigger names in >> before the first signing day, but for now, it’s about crafting their target >> list.” >> >> Long is sympathetic to the criticism among some writers and fans alike, >> however, that Florida doesn’t seem to have a specific recruiting strategy >> established yet under Mullen. He says a good amount of that has to do with >> turnover. >> >> “I think the problem with four coaches in just over eight years is they >> have four different players (they have targeted),” Long said. “Gator >> football was different under McElwain than it was under Muschamp and will >> be different under Mullen. McElwain’s staff, headed by Randy Shannon, was >> very active in South Florida whereas Mullen’s staff doesn’t seem to be >> recruiting as much there. So where will their in-state focus be? Tampa? >> Orlando? Jacksonville? The Panhandle? What about out of state? Are they >> strong in Georgia or better along the Gulf Coast and Mississippi JUCOs? >> They need to figure out where they can establish significant inroads at and >> start aggressively recruiting in those areas.” >> >> Long’s point here is supported by the reality that Florida is one of only >> 8 Power 5 programs that have had four head coaches since 2010. The others? >> Pitt, Minnesota, Illinois, Kansas, Oregon, USC and Arkansas. Of those nine >> programs, only Florida, USC and Oregon are considered bluebloods, and both >> Oregon and USC hired their fourth coach (Cristobal and Helton, >> respectively) from within their prior staff. Of the nine, Pitt made the >> largest recruiting improvement from a transition class to second class, >> when Pat Narduzzi improved Pitt from 46th to 30th in 2016. The difference? >> Pitt won 8 football games under Narduzzi after a losing season under Paul >> Chryst. >> >> Winning matters, according to the Power 5 assistant. >> >> “Helton and (Mario) Cristobal already had ideas as to who they wanted to >> recruit, and an offer list they didn’t need to reshape. That allowed for >> immediate momentum. Helton had to win more games, but USC was never in a >> situation like Florida where they had multiple losing seasons. Mario is at >> a program that has been to a College Football Playoff Championship. He and >> (Willie Taggart) made the offer list. Mullen’s situation is a lot more like >> Dabo’s was at Clemson, even though Dabo came from (Tommy) Bowden’s staff. >> Dabo had a different idea about how he wanted Clemson to play football. >> Clemson hadn’t won a conference title in forever. They had to win. It took >> awhile to sell that to kids.” >> >> Long is less sure. >> >> “In the era of the Early Signing Day period, there’s not really >> wait-and-see,” Long said. “I just think there’s too much turnover and >> coaching changes in the past few years to establish a consistent pattern of >> recruiting. The target list in the 2019, 2020 and 2021 classes changed with >> the coaching change, so there are kids that the Shannon-led group of >> assistants were targeting over the next three years that Mullen’s staff has >> decided not to pursue and in turn they have a whole new group of targets, >> some brought over from their evaluations while at Mississippi State. That >> and the schematic changes just means they start from behind.” >> >> Still, it’s Florida, the Power 5 assistant told me. Kids will respond if >> Florida plays better football. >> >> “I don’t know if it happens in *this *class,” the assistant said. “But >> the way they are upgrading things, the whole package of tradition and >> facilities and the NFL pipeline and academics: maybe it’s a longer rebuild, >> like Clemson. But Dan will get it built, if they let him.” >> >> >> >> >> >> Woody >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 >> National Football Champions | >> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel >> (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "GatorNews" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to gatornews+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> -- >> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 >> National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier >> (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "GatorTalk" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to gatortalk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 >> National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier >> (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "GatorTalk" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to gatortalk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> -- >> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 >> National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier >> (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "GatorTalk" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to gatortalk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> -- >> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 >> National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier >> (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "GatorTalk" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to gatortalk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 > National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 > National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier > (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "GatorTalk" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to gatortalk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "GatorTalk" group. 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