Mmmm Cooper !
We r two of a kind. I started at five. At that age I sure as hell did not
know what sex was. All I knew was that I enjoyed what this guy was doing to me.
Manu
doc cop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i repeat
Sexuality specially for gays and lesbians depends on hormones and gened
a gene related to sexuality has been identified
it was found in 68% of mothers with gay children
and 79% of woman with two gay kids
and even higher in woman with gay identical twins
hormons hav a lasser role and decide effeminate charectors and may lead to
bisexuality
the male child produces testosterones in the womb,if these are less and the
mothers hormones and the childs esterogens are more,then the chances of a
effeminate child are higher
more of esterogen
more of a woman in a male child
this may lead to a bisexual child or even a gay
environmental factors and early exposure to sex specially gay sex may tilt a
normal straight looking and behaving child to permanant or transient bisexuality
manu,u say all are born that way
its not really true
my craze for the male organ and oral sex was developed coz i saw it at an age
when i did not even know what sex was!!!!!!!!!!
cooper
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From: "peterswansonmpls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad Publicity
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:48:50 -0000
From what I've heard it's still all theories, and interesting ones.
There was some show on American TV and it said that a male baby is
actually a "foreign" thing in a pregnant woman's body. Her body can
react to it as a foreign thing and that can change the chemistry to
maybe cause a gay child.
Peter (who always feels foreign)
--- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "Tat Twam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Manu,
>
> Thanks for sharing your opinion, however, that does not count as
scientific
> evidence as requested by *muscular masculine.* I am sure all is
there on the
> net. But can anyone please point to a good set of references
*giving all
> sides of the opinions*?
>
> Preyas..
>
> On 2/3/07, doc cop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > It has been proved beyond doubt that sexual preferances have a
lot to
> > do with genetics and hormones,in the womb!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > early exposure to sex and the type of sex ,may tilt a borderline
or
> > straight guy to bisexuality
> >
> > what does GOY stand for!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > and i agree with manu,begay and having gay inclinations are are
two ends
> > of a spectrum of degrees with wide range of fantasies and
indulgance
> >
> > i too hav always luved the compony of men and boys,just as one
gets kicks
> > in compony of girls!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > and being into anals is no definition to be gay
> >
> > as per medical books only 5 % gays cannot live without getting
into anal
> > sex
> >
> > and i think the percentage would be same in the hetrosexual world
too
> >
> > its more to do with the mind ,than with the act
> >
> > cooper
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > From: *"peterswansonmpls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: *Re: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad
Publicity*
> > Date: *Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:55:37 -0000*
> >
> > It IS the theory floating around now that one is "made gay" in
the
> > womb. It's complicated, involving hormones, but it does explain
why
> > identical twins can be gay and straight.
> >
> > "GOYs" are an odd bunch, to me, since I heard about them for the
> > first time through Yahoo. I wonder who made that name up? I know a
> > lot a people who just call themselves "gay" and they're not into
anal
> > sex. I don't know why the labels have become so strict.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, manu nehru <zorro355@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I tend to agree with,Cooper. I am married with kids.Yet I am
> > attracted to men.There is something new in Yahoo Groups called
> > G0Ys.ie men who are attracted to men and yet not into anal sex and
> > stuff.I think my genetic profile somehow got f***ed up a little
bit
> > because I was concieved almost immediately after my elder sibling
was
> > born. Maybe my mother's body did not have enough time to regroup.
We
> > all know that a woman's hormones etc go haywire during pregnancy
and
> > childbirth.
> > > Manu
> > >
> > > muscular masculine <drmnjs@> wrote:
> > > Cooper could u give us proof of your say that
> > homosexuality is genetically dependant-mj.
> > >
> > > -----Original Mail-----
> > > From: doc cop
> > > Sent: Sunday, 28th January 2007 9:56 pm
> > > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad
Publicity
> > >
> > > as i had mentioned in one of my earlier emails,homosexuality is
> > genetically dependant and results due to hormonal changes
> > >
> > > the gene has been identified in the mothers of gays
> > >
> > > and the percentage of such moms with this gene is very high with
> > twin gays or two siblings gay
> > >
> > > environmental and social customs can effect sexuality,by
creating
> > false morality or social obligation but it cannot change the
> > temperament or the desire of the personn
> > >
> > > cooper
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================
> > > From: "gay_bombay moderator" <moderator@>
> > > Reply-To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> > > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad Publicity
> > > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:12:24 +0530
> > >
> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/25/science/25sheep.html?ei=5087%
<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/25/science/25sheep.html?ei=5087%25>
> > 0A&em=&en=ba2500e4c3032167&ex=1169874000&pagewanted=all Of Gay
> > Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad PublicityBy JOHN
SCHWARTZPublished:
> > January 25, 2007Charles Roselli set out to discover what makes
some
> > sheep gay. Then the news media and the blogosphere got hold of the
> > story.Skip to next paragraphLynn Ketchum/Oregon State University
> > >
> > > Dr. Charles Roselli has been criticized for his study of gay
sheep.
> > >
> > > Dr. Roselli, a researcher at the Oregon Health and Science
> > University, has searched for the past five years for physiological
> > factors that might explain why about 8 percent of rams seek sex
> > exclusively with other rams instead of ewes. The goal, he says,
is to
> > understand the fundamental mechanisms of sexual orientation in
sheep.
> > Other researchers might some day build on his findings to seek
ways
> > to determine which rams are likeliest to breed, he said.
> > >
> > > But since last fall, when People for the Ethical Treatment of
> > Animals started a campaign against the research, it has drawn a
> > torrent of outrage from animal rights activists, gay advocates and
> > ordinary citizens around the world â" all of it based, Dr.
Roselli
> > and colleagues say, on a bizarre misinterpretation of what the
work
> > is about.
> > >
> > > The story of the gay sheep became a textbook example of the
> > distortion and vituperation that can result when science meets the
> > global news cycle.
> > >
> > > The news media storm reached its zenith last month, when The
Sunday
> > Times in London published an article under the headline "Science
> > Told: Hands Off Gay Sheep." It asserted, incorrectly, that Dr.
> > Roselli had worked successfully to "cure" homosexual rams with
> > hormone treatments, and added that "critics fear" that the
> > research "could pave the way for breeding out homosexuality in
> > humans."
> > >
> > > Martina Navratilova , the tennis star who is both openly gay
and a
> > PETA ally, wrote in an open letter that the research "can only be
> > surmised as an attempt to develop a prenatal treatment" for sexual
> > conditions.
> > >
> > > The controversy spilled into the blog world, with attacks on Dr.
> > Roselli, his university and Oregon State University, which is also
> > involved in the research. PETA began an e-mail campaign that the
> > universities say resulted in 20,000 protests, some with language
> > like "you are a worthless animal killer and you should be
shot," "I
> > hope you burn in hell" and "please, die."
> > >
> > > The news coverage, which has been heaviest in England and
> > Australia, focused on smirk and titillation â" and, of course,
puns.
> > Headlines included "Ewe Turn for Gay Rams on Hormones" and "He's
Just
> > Not That Into Ewe."
> > >
> > > In recent weeks, the tide has begun to turn, with Dr. Roselli
and
> > Jim Newman, an Oregon Health and Science publicist, saying they
have
> > been working to correct the record in print and online. The
> > university has sent responses to senders of each PETA-generated e-
> > mail message.
> > >
> > > Dr. Roselli, whose research is supported by the National
Institutes
> > of Health and is published in leading scientific journals, insists
> > that he is as repulsed as his critics by the thought of sexual
> > eugenics in humans. He said human sexuality was a complex
phenomenon
> > that could not be reduced to interactions of brain structure and
> > hormones.
> > >
> > > On blogs where attacks have appeared, the researchers point out
> > that many of the accusations, like The Sunday Times's assertion
that
> > the scientists implant devices in the brains of the sheep, are
simply
> > false.
> > >
> > > The researchers acknowledge that the sheep are killed in the
course
> > of the research so their brain structure can be analyzed, but they
> > say they follow animal welfare guidelines to prevent suffering.
> > >
> > > The authors of the Sunday Times article, Chris Gourlay and
Isabel
> > Oakeshott, referred questions to a managing editor, who they said
was
> > traveling and could not be reached.
> > >
> > > Dr. Roselli and Mr. Newman persuaded some prominent bloggers,
> > including Andrew Sullivan, who writes an online column for Time,
to
> > correct postings that had uncritically quoted The Sunday Times's
> > article. They also found an ally in the blog world: a scientist
who
> > writes under the pseudonym emptypockets and has taken up Dr.
> > Roselli's cause. The blogger, who spoke on the condition of
anonymity
> > because he said a public stand could hurt his career, said he had
> > been cheered by the number of bloggers who dropped their
opposition
> > when presented with the facts.
> > >
> > > Ms. Navratilova, who also received a response from the
university,
> > said she remained unconvinced.
> > >
> > > "The more we play God or try to improve on Mother Nature, the
more
> > damage we are doing with all kinds of experiments that either have
> > already turned or will turn into nightmares," she wrote in an e-
mail
> > reply to a reporter's query. "How in the world could straight or
gay
> > sheep help humanity?"
> > >
> > > In an interview, Shalin Gala, a PETA representative working on
the
> > sheep campaign, said controlling or altering sexual orientation
was
> > a "natural implication" of the work of Dr. Roselli and his
colleagues.
> > >
> > > Mr. Gala, who asked that he be identified as openly gay, cited
the
> > news release for a 2004 paper in the journal Endocrinology that
> > showed differences in brain structure between homosexual and
> > heterosexual sheep.
> > >
> > > The release quoted Dr. Roselli as saying that the research "also
> > has broader implications for understanding the development and
> > control of sexual motivation and mate selection across mammalian
> > species, including humans."
> > >
> > > Mr. Newman, who wrote the release, said the word "control" was
used
> > in the scientific sense of understanding the body's internal
> > controls, not in the sense of trying to control sexual
orientation.
> > >
> > > "It's discouraging that PETA can pick one word, try to add
weight
> > to it or shift its meaning to suggest that you are doing something
> > that you clearly are not," he said.
> > >
> > > Dr. Roselli said that merely mentioning possible human
implications
> > of basic research was wildly different from intending to carry the
> > work over to humans.
> > >
> > > Mentioning human implications, he said, is "in the nature of the
> > way we write our grants" and talk to reporters. Scientists who do
> > basic research find themselves in a bind, he said, adding, "We
have
> > been forced to draw connections in a way that we can justify our
> > research."
> > >
> > > As for whether the deaths of the sheep are justified, he
said, "why
> > would you pick on a guy who's killing maybe 18 sheep a year, when
> > there's maybe four million killed for food and clothing in this
> > country?"
> > >
> > > Paul Root Wolpe, a professor of psychiatry at the University of
> > Pennsylvania and a senior fellow at the university's Center for
> > Bioethics, said that although he supported Dr. Roselli's
> > research, "I'm not sure I would let him off the hook quite as
easily
> > as he wants to be let off the hook."
> > >
> > > By discussing the human implications of the research, even in a
> > somewhat careful way, Dr. Roselli "opened the door" to the
reaction,
> > Dr. Wolpe said, and "he has to take responsibility for the public
> > response."
> > >
> > > If the mechanisms underlying sexual orientation can be
discovered
> > and manipulated, Dr. Wolpe continued, then the argument that
sexual
> > orientation is based in biology and is immutable "evaporates."
> > >
> > > The prospect of parents' eventually being able to choose not to
> > have children who would become gay is a real concern for the
future,
> > Dr. Wolpe said. But he added, "This concern is best addressed by
> > trying to change public perceptions of homosexuality rather than
stop
> > basic science on sexuality."Â
> > >
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