Dear KAPS,
Thanks a lot for supporting me.
--- Shatru
To all,
In fact I was expecting Aditya to reply to the problem I posted.
Only a gay who never have harassed any young boy can support me and can give
satisfactory reply to my query.
As suggested by one my good and close friend I would like to take some break
from this community discussion and would like to concentrate in my studies.
At least for few days don’t expect any reply from me.
---Shatru
--- On Tue, 3/3/09, kaps k <opaquelove2...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: kaps k <opaquelove2...@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: g_b Re: A Query
To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 3 March, 2009, 6:03 AM
Dear Shatru,
There is no need to be apologetic to a person who, in a stream of emotions for
his beloved class prostitutes, called u words like "bigots, brain dead moron,
your idiotic bigotry" etc. In fact it is he who should " learn to discern his
own expressions and understand the intelllectual foundation of statements
that he makes."... Just look at what he preaches to u..Quote.... "if you have
to make a point, please try and make it in a way that does not disrespect
others." Unquote...U can't expect him to follow his own preachings.. .u have to
tolerate such double standard fellows in this list because this is a so called
"inclusive" list.
In the first place, you have never insulted the prostitute class in your
opening post. Everyone knows that this is a class earning their livelihood by
honest way. You have not shown your contempt for this class by saying
Quote..." My experience is most of the gays expect only sex and not a
friendship. They expect you to be a male-prostitute and expect only sex and
nothing else." Unquote...Every customer expects from prostitutes "a sex without
friendship/attachme nt". and you have just compared this feature with the
attitude of many gays while dealing with fellow gays. So where is the question
of contempt ???
But u can't expect him to be reasonable.. .History shows that he just needs
some stick howsoever weak as in this case to beat the people on this list
....to behave like a moral police, or sometimes like a highhanded English
teacher...and bring people to their knees...
U have to bear such people as this is an INCLUSIVE list.
Regards/ kk
--- On Sat, 28/2/09, Shatrughna Phadke <shatru_lovely@ yahoo.in> wrote:
From: Shatrughna Phadke <shatru_lovely@ yahoo.in>
Subject: Re: g_b Re: A Query
To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Saturday, 28 February, 2009, 10:48 AM
Thanks Aditya, I promise you I will never commit such a mistake again in future.
---Shatru
--- On Sat, 28/2/09, Aditya Bondyopadhyay <adit.b...@gmail. com> wrote:
> From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay <adit.b...@gmail. com>
> Subject: Re: g_b Re: A Query
> To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Saturday, 28 February, 2009, 1:34 AM
> No Shatru, you are not wrong. The point that you want to
> convey regarding
> gay people and friendship was fine and I agreed with you.
> Therefore I did
> not say anything on that. But if you have to make a point,
> please try and
> make it in a way that does not disrespect others. Calling
> anyone prostitute
> in a derogatory manner shows your contempt for sex work and
> and
> prostitution, without substantiating the basis of your
> prejudice. That is
> objectionable and I objected, I feel correctly so.
>
> If you are a student, this may be the right time for you to
> learn to discern
> your own expressions and understand the intelllectual
> foundation of
> statements that you make. It may just help you to avoid
> even unintentional
> prejudice and bigotry, which may eventually be helpful for
> your future
> prospects.
>
> Best,
> Aditya B
>
>
>
> On 27/02/2009, Shatrughna Phadke
> <shatru_lovely@ yahoo.in> wrote:
> >
> > Oh! Aditya!
> >
> > Big big words! The word I used was incorrect but you
> gave a different turn
> > to the discussion and nicely side track the main point
> of the discussion,
> >
> > The opening post says that
> > " I have observed this in gay people that one day
> the appear to be best of
> > friends, all ahhs n oh ohs hugs and one fine day
> without rhyme or reason
> > they are not your frnds nemore "
> >
> > which I did put in my words.
> >
> > "My experience is most of the gays expect only
> sex and not a
> > friendship"
> >
> > Most of the gays target students and helpless young
> guys. Main point of my
> > post was this. If you feel this is something wrong and
> we should not discuss
> > it on this group then I withdraw.
> >
> > I am a student, Aditya, correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> > ----- Shatrughna
> >
> > --- On Fri, 27/2/09, Aditya Bondyopadhyay
> <adit.b...@gmail. com<adit.bond%40gmail. com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay
> <adit.b...@gmail. com <adit.bond%40gmail. com>>
> > > Subject: Re: g_b Re: A Query
> > > To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com
> <gay_bombay% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > Date: Friday, 27 February, 2009, 11:23 AM
> > > Well shatru, if they are not paying you they are
> not
> > > expecting you to be a
> > > prostitute in the first place because
> prostitution and/or
> > > sex work is
> > > directly linked to a transaction in lieu of sex.
> In other
> > > words you used the
> > > word prostitute to highlight something that you
> do not
> > > approve of, even
> > > though the usage itself is incorrect in the
> context. So it
> > > prove that you
> > > have a prejudice against prostitutes, which stems
> from
> > > reasons that I cannot
> > > fathom, for no prostitute seems to have targeted
> you on
> > > this list.
> > >
> > > Bigots like you who hate merely for hate's
> sake are a
> > > blot on the inclusive
> > > list that this one hopes to become and probably
> will if
> > > brain dead morons
> > > like you decide at some point that it may be a
> good thing
> > > to think
> > > before you spout your prejudiced derogatory
> sentiments
> > > about an entire
> > > professional class.
> > >
> > > Prostitues and/or sex workers are human beings
> with dignity
> > > who are merely
> > > trying to earn a decent living by selling a
> product/service
> > > and meeting a
> > > market demand. You have no right to load this
> profession
> > > with your idiotic
> > > bigotry.
> > >
> > > Aditya Bondyopadhyay
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20/02/2009, shatru_lovely
> <shatru_lovely@ yahoo.in<shatru_lovely% 40yahoo.in>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My experience is most of the gays expect
> only sex
> > > and not a
> > > > friendship. They expect you to be a
> male-prostitute
> > > and expect only
> > > > sex and nothing else. Naturally if you deny
> that they
> > > immediately
> > > > end the relationship.
> > > > Sorry I am too blunt. At young age I got an
> acidic
> > > experience. Your
> > > > views and experience may differ.
> > > >
> > > > ----Shatru ( Shatrughna)
> > > >
> > > > --- In gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com
> <gay_bombay% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > <gay_bombay% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > > "boyfriend_pune"
> > > > <boyfriend_pune@ ...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hello
> > > > > following could be the reasons:
> > > > > - that person when starts friendship
> may be in
> > > good position, but
> > > > after
> > > > > few months when there are svere
> up-downs in his
> > > life, so while
> > > > facing
> > > > > them he cannot share it with you ( one
> may take
> > > it in wrong way )
> > > > > particularly if it is financial or
> marriage
> > > problem. then he is
> > > > not in
> > > > > contact with you, or keeps mum. when
> that phase
> > > is over, he may
> > > > > approach to you, but already u
> misunderstood him.
> > > > > - some times he may afraid that the
> family
> > > members will come to
> > > > know
> > > > > about his gayness, when he is in
> contact with
> > > you. to avoid
> > > > > complications better to keep mum.
> > > > >
> > > > > - it happend with me. when i joined
> this grup, i
> > > came to know
> > > > about two
> > > > > persons. before that i didnt know that
> they were
> > > gay. i started
> > > > > communicating thr email with them. am
> afraid, if
> > > i will personally
> > > > meet
> > > > > them and refer this grup, my family
> members and
> > > scoiety around
> > > > will
> > > > > come to know our gayness. neither of us
> is out.
> > > > > - many a times am in financial trouble,
> but if i
> > > share it with
> > > > friends
> > > > > from the grup they me feel that i want
> money from
> > > them. i have to
> > > > face
> > > > > my problem.
> > > > > - with few members i communicated, but
> letter
> > > not, as our status
> > > > was
> > > > > very different. it shuld not happen
> that they
> > > feel that i am
> > > > seeking
> > > > > some kind of help from them all the
> time.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - aaj phir jine ki tamanna hai
> > > > > aaj phir marane ka irada hai
> > > > >
> > > > > regards
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com
> <gay_bombay% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > <gay_bombay% 40yahoogroups. com>, Sanjay
> > > > Lulla
> > > > <sanjay_lulla2000@ >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a query. I have observed
> this in gay
> > > people that one day
> > > > the
> > > > > appear to be best of friends, all ahhs
> n oh ohs
> > > hugs and one fine
> > > > day
> > > > > without rhyme or reason they are not
> your frnds
> > > nemore. I am not
> > > > > talking abt being in relationship or
> fuck buddies
> > > but of
> > > > > 'friendship& #39;. I say in
> our
> > > community since I personally
> > > > have
> > > > > experinced this. My quest is why do
> they behave
> > > like this. One can
> > > > go
>
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