I agree with Aditya, I only only one religion but I don't agree with the 
practices of the Church. Being a Christian...I love Jesus and share a very 
close relationship with Him. Christ always spoke of love and tolerance and 
mercy and compassion...He came down to give us one simple message...love God 
above above everything and Love your neighbor as  yourself. Treat your body as 
a holy temple. Why go far we all know that Christianity was inspired about 
300-400 years ago after Christ was risen. The books in the Bible are a RECORD 
of his existence..these books were INSPIRED and combined only with the birth of 
Constantinople's conversion to following Christ and many of the books were born 
to please the Non-believers and keep them happy...that is why they celebrate 
Xmas in December..whereas Christ was born in June, this was to accommodate 
celebrations of the Winter Solstice. 

Christianity is not a religion, it is a way of life. Many scrolls and 
parchments have been discovered recently that speak otherwise about the Story 
of Christ like the Dead sea scrolls, the Bible of Judas and they all show the 
human side of Christ who understood and felt what man goes through, as he was 
man himself, not only God.... The Church has its own hidden agenda and of 
course how would it survive if it did not propagate birth and stoicism? Priests 
have to be men, Abortion should not be conducted...it is okay to be gay but not 
indulge in the homosexual act (yes this was told to me by a priest) ...who made 
these rules?...a bunch of white clothed men with Red caps sitting in a City 
that has no "REAL" perspective on life. I say if you love somebody truly and 
deeply and if in your conscience you "KNOW" it feels good, then let your soul 
speak to you. After all, if you read the book by James Van Praagh called 
Growing up in Heaven, ultimately you will realize everything is just an 
ILLUSION. Even take up a book by Sylvia Browne, or Doreen Virtue...you know 
understand what I mean, there are other mysteries in life and these are people 
who have spoken to spirits and Elders on the other side of life. 

For those who feel traumatized by religion or the pressure of it, I say talk to 
Your God, meditate, read and open your minds and your heart. You have only this 
life (or perhaps more when you realize the truth) and God's work is 
Perfect...not a leaf shakes on the tree without his word (from the bible) and I 
can't see how GOD can make an "Imperfect" creation. You fought billions of 
sperm to be born, you are not a coincidence.  You are born for a reason and 
that REASON is to be HAPPY not guilty, or sad or depressed or suicidal or 
UNHAPPY for the rest of your life. You were Gay to shine like a star, like 
everybody else...so shine.


--- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Aditya Bondyopadhyay <adit.bond@...> wrote:
>
> Religion, of any and every denomination and persuation, as far as I am
> concerned, can go their respective hells..
> Best,
> Aditya B
> 
> On 27 June 2011 00:43, <nirbokj@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > **
> > ALL Orgainised religions depend upon more and more congregants from
> > generation to generation to support their Temples and Priests.  Therefore it
> > is to their benefit that those who generally do not produce ongoing
> > congregants ( in other words: gays and lesbians)  should be vilified and
> > condemned to some kind of Hell !!!
> >
> > It's Just that simple.  It's a matter of dollars ( or rupies !!)
> >
> > Gordon from Santa Fe
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  In a message dated 6/26/2011 12:38:06 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> > gaymanproud31@... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's an article from CNN-Time magazine published a couple of days ago. In
> > it the author argues that even though gay marriages are legal (or will
> > shortly be) in New York, for the author it's not the same thing since 
> > "Marriage
> > without a church or temple wedding isn't going to be the real thing". How
> > many of us think that a gay wedding needs the sanction of religion? After
> > all even heterosexuals may decide to shrug off the religious rituals and
> > settle for an economically cheaper "court marriage".
> >
> > Check out also the numerous homophobic comments at the end of the article.
> > There are so many who argue that it's wrong to be gay because "religion said
> > so"!
> >
> > Let us say that you had the opportunity to wed your partner in India or
> > Nepal, would you insist on the "appropriate" religious rituals?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Deep
> > http://gaynotes.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> > Source: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2079861,00.html
> >
> >  Saturday, Jun. 25, 2011
> > Gay Marriage: A Bittersweet Victory?
> > By Howard Chua-Eoan
> >
> > I woke up this morning to discover that, despite my best efforts, I was
> > still only married to my job.
> >
> > I had spent part of the night in Greenwich Village with the crowds outside
> > the Stonewall Inn celebrating the legalization of same-sex marriage in New
> > York state. I proposed to several passersby but every single one laughed.
> > The thumping of "Y.M.C.A." on an adjacent boombox killed any possibility of
> > romance. (Why is that song always played at weddings?)
> >
> > I had wandered down from a party about 10 blocks north, in Chelsea, one of
> > New York City's gay enclaves. The gathering at that apartment was slightly
> > surreal. It appeared to be familiar: handsome young men flirting with each
> > other over sweets and alcohol. But now they had a complex new dimension to
> > navigate through — albeit the kind of calculus that heterosexuals can do in
> > their sleep. Or when they sleep with each other. Or when they wake up and
> > discover who they have slept with. It's the possibility of marriage, lurking
> > subtly somewhere in one's head. Imagine all the
> > psycho-sexual-financial-commercial-legal dramas that will emerge as that
> > little formula weaves itself into the lives of gay New Yorkers. Soon, we can
> > have the kind of domestic life straight people have. One day, we may no
> > longer even be gay. Just the people next door. No more parades.
> >
> > Of course, that's not going to happen soon. No matter that New York is the
> > largest state of the Union to hold that the union of a man and a man or a
> > woman and a woman is equal to that of a man and a woman. California, the
> > largest state in the Union, had that distinction for a few months before
> > electoral and judicial jiu jitsu tied marriage up in knots there. There are
> > 44 more states to go and a rowdy presidential campaign season that is bound
> > to roil a whole range of political bases. And who knows if the legalization
> > of gay marriage in New York, because it is New York, will actually work
> > against marriage equality across the country. Could an exodus of gay people
> > from the rest of the U.S. to the Empire State sap the will (and pocketbooks)
> > of campaigns to legalize marriage in, say, Missouri or Minnesota or Kansas?
> > Just saying.
> >
> > But in one very important way, marriage will not quite be marriage even in
> > New York, even 30 days from now when the law goes into effect. That is
> > because the psycho-sexual-financial-commercial-legal dramas that entangle
> > the domestic lives of straight people often have another component —
> > religion. And religious institutions have an exemption in the new law from
> > accommodating gay people. It was key to the passage of the legislation.
> >
> > Marriage without a church or temple wedding isn't going to be the real
> > thing. Why can some people have all the bells and whistles in the church of
> > their choice but not me? Of course, there have been and will be
> > congregations and churches that allow gay men and lesbians to be married in
> > their midst and to bless those unions, recognizing that God loves them just
> > as much as Governor Andrew Cuomo does. But some rich and influential
> > religious institutions are not only free to continue to reject gay men and
> > women as equal beneficiaries of all aspects of faith but will now rally
> > their congregants to reject politicians who are willing to abide with this
> > extension of secular civil rights — no matter how much acceptance there is
> > of same-sex marriage elsewhere, no matter how many wedding announcements
> > appear in the New York *Times*.
> >
> > I write this as a deeply religious Christian who is pained that the church
> > that otherwise provides me with so much spiritual comfort and joy will never
> > allow me to marry within its walls. Some clerics may be "liberal" enough to
> > turn a blind eye to gay relationships so long as they do not have to
> > recognize them, much less grant them any kind of imprimatur. And, as of now,
> > even in New York, religious institutions cannot be compelled to perform such
> > a simple act of charity.
> >
> > The state cannot force a church to change its beliefs. Even gay people
> > realize that is wrong. And so, just to remind folks that we're here we will
> > have to continue to march in our parades and to sing "Somewhere Over the
> > Rainbow." Nonetheless, waking up this morning, I was very happy not to be in
> > Kansas anymore.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
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> Development Sector Consultant
> Advocate (Regd. No. F-218/192 of 1997, Bar Council of W.Bengal, India)
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